Breeder 599 Report post Posted July 20, 2019 I see there was a race at Flemington, today for 2yr olds over 1800 meters. I know 1600 meter races are not uncommon, especially in the UK/France but I have not seen a 1800 meter race before Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobysnacks 386 Report post Posted July 20, 2019 Automatic qualifier for the Derby or Oaks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveski 13 Report post Posted July 20, 2019 54 minutes ago, poundforpound said: I’m pretty sure there’s 2000m 2yo races in France and or Japan Not just any race - there's a group one in France for 2yo over 2000m - Critérium de Saint-Cloud. Breeder 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted July 20, 2019 Zetland Stakes at Newmarket at backend 2000 metres for 2 yo . There's a few other lower quality races as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted July 20, 2019 Don't do them too much harm running 2000 it seems , since 2013 Hartnell, Coronet and Kew Gardens have won Zetland . All pretty good group 1 winners later in life and all still in training . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauhei Notts 1,403 Report post Posted July 20, 2019 You may have seen the Chesham Stakes at Royal Ascot over 7 furlongs, run in June for two year olds. A winner of that race was imported to New Zealand and was an abject failure, viz Smuggler. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted July 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tauhei Notts said: You may have seen the Chesham Stakes at Royal Ascot over 7 furlongs, run in June for two year olds. A winner of that race was imported to New Zealand and was an abject failure, viz Smuggler. What year ? Chesham upped to 7 in 1996 , sprint over 6 up to then so not a stayer . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted July 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Trained by Dick Hern if it's the same horse, around 1978?, I worked for him, narrow chested thing with no girth...he was never going to make it as a stallion Correct , Dick Hern 1975 was the year . Won 6 furlong Chesham on debut ridden by Joe Mercer . By Exbury . Chesham conditions are now runner must be sired by a winner of race 9 furlong or more and it's run over 7 now . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted July 20, 2019 We should have distance racing for our 2 yo. Opens the field for stayers in the future. Pam Robson and Breeder 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,539 Report post Posted July 20, 2019 Not for me, to tough on the babies, many which are not physically or mentally developed at that stage of their careers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted July 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Shad said: Not for me, to tough on the babies, many which are not physically or mentally developed at that stage of their careers. Not disputing 2 year old racing has issues . Forcing a 2 yo to continually back up to get in Golden Slipper or MM imho is worse . These horses brought along slower running distance backend of season . Hartnell won Zetland in 2013 , back up few weeks later in the group 1 at Saint Cloud again over 2000 . Four runners that day in Zetland 2013. Hartnell enough said about that warhorse. 2nd Montaly still doing the job in decent class at 8 for top stable of Andrew Balding he ran few weeks back , 3rd not run since 2017 when he was 6 but had long varied career ending up top dual purpose yard of Gordon Elliot. Samtu the forth horse home that day had run number 66 last night . He ran over fences at the beautiful Lake District course at Cartmel so at 8 is still toughing it out doing a good job over fences . Just a random race researched but I think the results would be similar in other years . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted July 20, 2019 Physiologically it is harder on a 2 yo to race in a pressure cooker 1200m than it is to run over 1600m. It's an absolute joke that we do not cater for our two year olds to race properly over this 1600- 2000m distance. All of our options as owners are shut down by having the current ridiculous race program where the pattern doesn't set up the championships up correctly for the following year. Just take the Zetland Stakes (2000m at Newmarket...nearly every winner since 1980 have gone on to perform well the following seasons with many being the warriors in the next few years. A lot of them have gone on to become classic performers. It does no harm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zetland_Stakes drewandjo and Red Rum 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted July 20, 2019 31 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Just checked, he won the Yorkshire Cup as a 5yo in 1978...Willie Carson rode him ( he’d replaced Joe as first jockey by then ) The horse wasn’t much good though, I’m sure I’ve ridden him, he was unimpressive if I remember correctly, third rate, lacked speed, narrow type and clearly the wrong type for this country There is a good piece on Racing TV you tube channel about Nashwan . How the season came about and Dick Hern doing a bit of ducking and diving pre guineas , Willie Carson was quite critical of his own ride in Eclipse giving horse too hard a race that in hindsight could have been avoided by better ride . I had a read up about Joe Mercer , I didn't realise he did some jail time in India many years back as he tried to export jewelry as he couldn't export his winter earnings from India due to currency controls at the time . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...