john legend 735 Report post Posted June 18, 2019 With 1 race all the nations malaise disappears. in 1st race in Auckland a Monte trot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,711 Report post Posted June 18, 2019 The old story - if you don't like it you don't have to bet on it 47South 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHorseman 22 Report post Posted June 18, 2019 7 horse field, TAB Money Back race too, if you in the first 4 ..... get on JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westview 155 Report post Posted June 19, 2019 Call me mad but I like them. Saw monkey King run in one at mot with Gavin smith riding it was very entertaining it was a non tote but I would bet into one. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 735 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 Hope for the good of harness racing that is the last tote montetrot..... what a farce. Even the TAB must be confused as them paying 2nd to 4th money back could mean all bets up to $30 refunded ?as 4th to last all disq. therefore all 4th equal.. leave them for novelty racing .OR they will do more harm than good to harness racing . and dont quote turnovers as guinea pig racing would attract punting at 5.30 on a friday ! 21 6 2019 race1 Auckland Trotting Club Blue 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,711 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 Those who backed Burt Munro said "Eh? What's that" I can only repeat what I said earlier - If you don't like ........................................... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 735 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 Only masochists would bet on montes. but then again eljay whatever floats your boat. ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga 194 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 Why does ATC continue to oppose Amateur racing but are happy to run Monte races where over half the field gets disqualified - farcical! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,711 Report post Posted June 22, 2019 5 hours ago, john legend said: Only masochists would bet on montes. but then again eljay whatever floats your boat. ! Get your facts right John - I have NEVER had a bet on a Monte race. They could have run that race as a Non Tote at 5-34 instead of a Tote race at 5-34 but so what. I don't see what harm it did to the evening, some owners got a little return for keeping their horses running around rather than awarding them the Silver Bullet. I really don't see what your bitch is, John. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 735 Report post Posted June 22, 2019 "my bitch" is 1. a bad look for harness racing 2 was to be non tote only (sold to hrnz in that format 3. it prevents struggling drivers from 1 more paynent 4 it is dangerous should a fall occur on thye hard surface 5 as a betting proposition its a non eventks it is near impossible to regain the trot gait. If you are not convinced yet another 5 reasons will be available. JJ Flash and Rusty 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted June 22, 2019 Every 2nd race at a harness meeting in France is a Monte. They are hugely popular. In saying that though the quality of their monte races are far superior to that farce we saw at Auckland last Friday Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSprat 947 Report post Posted June 22, 2019 The success of the monte style races overseas would indicate that there may be a place for it here, but .... not now. In an era when the entire game is battling for the public to take it seriously it makes a joke of everything to put on a "circus spectacle" like we witnessed on Friday night. The monte format needs to go back to the trials for at least 12 months so that: the horses can get some experience the riders can get some experience the trainers can educate their horses to race under saddle The format has potential here but at the moment the standard of most of the participants (horses and riders) is so far below a professional level that it can not be allowed to be presented as a betting product, let alone at one of our major tracks. john legend 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 735 Report post Posted June 22, 2019 The argument that europe have them all the time means nothing. generally they dont have any pacing at all therefore it is entirely different structure with all diff concept of trotting. so naturally have Saddle races as part of total trotting" immersion" NZ Australia, usa and canada are pacing orientated and have developed the breed and facilities based on the pacer. Trotting was secondary to pacing and was usually the worst turnovers for Clubs in New Zealand. A regulation was passed many years ago that Clubs must run a minimum of 2 trotting races per night because of reluctance to run them. This leaning against the trotter has persisted hence the lower stakes offered for them.We now have higher quality breed of trotter and I see no reason for any difference to remain. BUT. Saddle racing is not ready to return to NZ. (it was once very prevalent but fazed out by the 1960s)) Betting is the source of income for the wheels of our whole industryand the sideshow can be of novelty value but not accepted as normal part of harness racing. trotters can utilize the new rating system so the argument that their life is over unless montes are run is simply incorrect. Stables 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga 194 Report post Posted June 22, 2019 8 hours ago, john legend said: trotters can utilize the new rating system so the argument that their life is over unless montes are run is simply incorrect. PLUS - the Monte races have their own handicapping system meaning they are penalty free - a rating 40 trotter could win could win say 3 Monte races (nearly $10k) and still be rated a R40 trotter! Why isn't this special treatment given to horses that compete in Junior Driver (only 1 penalty free win) or Amateur (no penalty free wins) races? john legend and JJ Flash 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...