eljay 1,720 Report post Posted June 13, 2019 Further deferred - is it surprising? Hell no! What do they charge? $200 plus an hour? Any kid that says he wants to be a fireman or an astronaut when he grows up is a misguided fool - law is the big word these days!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner 217 Report post Posted June 13, 2019 5 hours ago, eljay said: Further deferred - is it surprising? Hell no! What do they charge? $200 plus an hour? Any kid that says he wants to be a fireman or an astronaut when he grows up is a misguided fool - law is the big word these days!! More like a min of $500 + gst an hour for this type of thing . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamour 673 Report post Posted June 13, 2019 Any word on why it has been deferred again. Is this at the request of the defence or prosecutors? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted June 13, 2019 7 hours ago, eljay said: Further deferred - is it surprising? Hell no! What do they charge? $200 plus an hour? Any kid that says he wants to be a fireman or an astronaut when he grows up is a misguided fool - law is the big word these days!! Pretty sure some legal bills upto and including first appearance were north of 15K JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted June 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, lamour said: Any word on why it has been deferred again. Is this at the request of the defence or prosecutors? Disclosure is still filtering through so it seems most likely prosecutors. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamour 673 Report post Posted June 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Disclosure is still filtering through so it seems most likely prosecutors. Would these deferments be happening if they had evidence in spades, as some have suggested ? LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, lamour said: Would these deferments be happening if they had evidence in spades, as some have suggested ? I am sure they don't lack quantity. The quality will be the issue and they might have been confident someone would jump ship well before now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted June 13, 2019 The cops must be running scared. So much money and time spent and they can't even produce enough evidence to present a case at court. Heads should roll after this debacle. The sad thing is that peoples names and reputations have been unfairly dragged through the muck and the image of Harness Racing has suffered irreperable damage Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jape 344 Report post Posted June 14, 2019 18 hours ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Disclosure is still filtering through so it seems most likely prosecutors. Not what was said on Peter Earley's show on Wednesday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkc 181 Report post Posted June 14, 2019 It will never see the inside of the court room. My understanding is that some of those charge are in excess of 50k Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 Back to court next Monday 12th August. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,136 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Back to court next Monday 12th August. Interesting times ahead. Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 What will happen on the 12th. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, tim vince said: What will happen on the 12th. Guessing its the case review hearing as it was originally scheduled to take place back on 25th March and has been put off a couple of times already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 Justice delayed is justice denied Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamour 673 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 43 minutes ago, poundforpound said: You’re all wrong according to my impeccable sources You mean no hearing on 12th August? Has it been delayed again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamour 673 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Yes, or so I was advised today and I’m in the loop I guess we shouldn’t be surprised given the number of delays already. Makes me wonder if it will ever advance to the trial stage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 Interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 4 hours ago, poundforpound said: ......Plod is screwing the scrum and changing the charges on others, Isn't that what some of us have been predicting from the start? Nothing out of the ordinary there. Still.if there is no evidence of any guilt, as you keep telling us, then those involved will no doubt continue to plead not guilty to the fresh charges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo_Neilson 5 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 I am currently on the sidelines as an extended victim, this is what we are learning. Deferred has many meanings. Gathering evidence and most of all giving the person charged every opportunity to plead guilty. It turns out that a not guilty plea means hundreds of hours of negotiation between the prosecutor, the defence barrister and the person charged. A deferment gives the person charged this opportunity, no matter the cost to victims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMD is rife 211 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 How are you a victim Jo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted August 6, 2019 2 hours ago, poundforpound said: If your industry and drivers / trainers association had any guts you’d all strike if any person found not guilty in a court of Law, or has all charges dropped, is charged again in front of the JCA.....and the sooner you get organized to strike until Grimstone and Cruickshank are gone the better, they’re a blight on the industry Or those within the industry could reflect on how this all came about. Reflect on how past similar behavior in previous decades has led those currently involved to believe there are no consequences. Reflect on what is right and wrong, what examples they want to set for the current crop of young people trying to make a living within the industry. Instead of directing your frustration towards authorities who enforce the rules, use that frustration to put in place an ongoing, plan ,once this is all over, to support those currently charged which would address the financial and mental health issues that all would suffer from to varying degrees. There has to be support networks established for each and everyone of those charged,. You have to have a plan b if some charges are proven. I hope once these cases have been finalized that you use your undoubted skills and focus on how you can help those involved, which I do believe is your goal. It can't be all about revenge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilcoyne 196 Report post Posted August 9, 2019 I m still waiting for a decision on a court case involving one of my clients. Been going on now for 3 years Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted August 9, 2019 4 hours ago, poundforpound said: Lost a few bob on the punt have we ......bitter and twisted shit you’re talking .... I've spoken to your doctor and I asked him if you suffered from insanity. He told me No,you seem to enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major 12 Report post Posted August 9, 2019 On 8/5/2019 at 6:36 PM, poundforpound said: Yes, or so I was advised today and I’m in the loop Wrong.Hearings are on Monday. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...