Amati Nidol 38 Report post Posted May 21, 2019 As a casual (yet committed) observer it must be time for the stewards to order Jerry Garcia is removed from the Unruly list. It is hard to raise this question. I do not mean to call into question the trainers integrity in doing so. The cynical side of me is wondering whether he is kept on the unruly as it is easier to run second from there regularly, rather than potentially drawing a nice position on the front line, stepping handy and winning, Thus going up in grade and putting the weekly cheques in jeopardy. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micktap 15 Report post Posted May 21, 2019 He's on the Unruly to help him get away trotting and it seems to be working.If I was you I would only back him for a place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted May 21, 2019 There is no doubt starting off the unruly is similar to adding a 10m handicap. Its only not that big a disadvantage if a small front line, I guess it all comes down to whether it helps the horse get away better. Some trotters don't seem to go away if they have someone behind them at the start.,maybe that's the reason jerry Garcia is still on unruly. I do agree it is a major handicap to its winning chances, You've only got to watch its racing pattern to see that. In my opinion another thing about horses staring off unruly like jerry Garcia is the runs take more out of them. Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted May 22, 2019 Correct like a handicap.st Michel in the draw almost always misses away.unruly generally ok.better for everyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted May 22, 2019 4 hours ago, tim vince said: Correct like a handicap.st Michel in the draw almost always misses away.unruly generally ok.better for everyone There are also quite a few trotters that seem to go away far better from the outside of the unruly,instead of say the inside or middle of the unruly line. Its got to be a psychological thing for horses that do that. Majestic hurricane is one of those that seems very claustrophobic. Maybe its the same for st Michel. I've pointed out previously the confusing thing is in the north island your starter has been sending any horse playing up pre start to the outside of the unruly horses. In the south island the Canterbury starter has been sending them to the inside of the unruly horses. Surely there should be some consistency amongst starters.One of them is wrong, not sure which one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jape 344 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 On 5/21/2019 at 11:21 PM, what a post said: There is no doubt starting off the unruly is similar to adding a 10m handicap. Its only not that big a disadvantage if a small front line, I guess it all comes down to whether it helps the horse get away better. Some trotters don't seem to go away if they have someone behind them at the start.,maybe that's the reason jerry Garcia is still on unruly. I do agree it is a major handicap to its winning chances, You've only got to watch its racing pattern to see that. In my opinion another thing about horses staring off unruly like jerry Garcia is the runs take more out of them. Your 10m handicap is quite generous. Often, depending on the size of the field, it is closer to 20m. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westview 155 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 Not sure in this situation but trainers are known to request a horse be put on the unruly, then asked for them to removed when their confidence is up. If I remember I will find out on Friday if this is the case. what a post 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westview 155 Report post Posted May 24, 2019 Just spoken to one of the owners, Jerry is on the unruly because of the trainer request. They have tried in the past putting him back in the draw but he was disrupting the field, wouldn't it be great if a few other trainers did the same. Taku Umanga 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, westview said: Just spoken to one of the owners, Jerry is on the unruly because of the trainer request. They have tried in the past putting him back in the draw but he was disrupting the field, wouldn't it be great if a few other trainers did the same. thanks for that. Jerry Garcia has always been a favorite of mine because of how courageous he can be at the finish of a race. Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...