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box seat ,debate on blood spinning

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Hey ho I'm back again, yey, wild cheerin much appreciated :rcfe-happy-2: bloody computers and their hard drives arrrrggghhhhh (fingers crossed firmly new techie got it sorted this time).....didn't think I was gunna get back online before the Jewels.....

Mick, serum is a healing product, and as it is of the horses own blood I guess you could say it has the ability to enhance the horses healing ability to allow it to perform at its best again....serum is of it's own blood! what advantage do you think any treated horse is gettin? other than healing its own affected parts, really, think about it....

Jack, still on about the same old thing I see, and, still jumpin at shadows ie delayin fatigue, increasin pain threshold, I don't believe the treatment is used to mask or delay anythin, healin and maskin are two differin things, .....corse you'd say it was theatrics, but!!! those theatrics Jack were undertaken in full view of the greater Harness Racin public (viewed not only here in NZ) on an official TAB channel, with RIU official and professionals (Vets) think about it.....again, to you and mick it is legal! and available to all!!!! you too can use it! so, again whats your real problem???

WhatAP, given what you have asked in your post re links to AllStars and the dissmissive of haters and jealousies of some, kinda think you answered your own questions and now even you can see why.....not sure it would matter to some, but it could just as well be any stable who stands head and shoulders above the rest, straight away thoughts are, oh they gotta be usin summit, I know ACS that's it theyre cheatin, it's performance enchancing' and even after a programme airs in the hopes of clarifyin any of these matters, ironin out the bugs so to speak, there are still those that come in pushin the thinly veiled 'cheaters' theme.....

All I'm sayin if there is proof of any wrong doin, that the 'serum itself' is now somehow the performance enhancin baddie etc etc some still think it is, then lets see it! come on Jack, you and Mick show us how! and, show us what you got! other than surmise and assumption, and big big dose of jealousnessosis......

Hey Lee damned if you do, damned if yuh don't, oiy vey.....

 

Cheers Iraklis

 

 

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34 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

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You have to wonder why this is being introduced,by whom and where this could lead to in terms of notification periods overall.

 

Greg

amazing they have had eyes wide shut for over a year,good they have finally listened and admitted they had it so wrong

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1 hour ago, JJ Flash said:

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You have to wonder why this is being introduced,by whom and where this could lead to in terms of notification periods overall.

 

Greg

Nah....you have to wonder how stupid they all are when they clearly have no idea what blood spinning is, what the residue is, how the blood components separate, and what the re-injection process entails and can achieve .

I urge to google RIU & ITPP if you need to be reminded how fucking stupid these buffoons are......and they’re hopelessly out of their depth again here....as is the media....

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1 hour ago, Iraklis said:

Hey JJ :rcfe-happy-2: tiz only someone sayin they have an email re regu-changes it hasn't happened as yet and at the end of the day it may not......

 

cheers Iraklis

A bit more to than that given HRNZ have told press they are updating rules on it and will present new rules at annual conference in September. Given the HRNZ vets have okayed it in the past one wonders what has changed. That said our local RC vet might have summed things up succinctly in his post above.

 

Greg

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7 days is better than the current 1 day regulation, but it should be a mandatory stand-down period of 14-28 days following treatment. Remember the "only reason" these horses are being treated is because they're "injured" and unfit to race without this supposedly "non-performance enhancing" treatment. To be back to peak fitness 1 day later always seemed to be nothing short of a miracle ... imagine how good they'll be with an extra 6 days to recuperate!

In other news, apparently Mickey Mouse is frantically organising extra stabling with horses soon needing to be being shipped in 8 days before races instead of the day before as in the past! :rcfe-laughing:

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On 5/25/2019 at 9:53 AM, micktap said:

Jack makes some very good points.If it is only for treating injuries,then why spray it into the lungs?It use can't be detected because its part of the horses own blood but then again so are the red blood cells and it was laughable on the video to see them tipping these down the sink.

Red blood ( and white ) cells always get spun off or filtered and then thrown away.

You only retain the serum or platelets ( or stem cells if you’re using adipose tissue )

Your lack of knowledge is dangerous and you should be banned for making such statements 

This is not like Lasse Viren 40 years ago, this is not whole blood, there is NO homologous red blood cell infusion, and hence NO haemoglobin infusion. This procedure CANNOT be performance enhancing although it’s certainly useful for tissue repair and animal welfare. 

You’re a dangerous and stupid man.

How long have you worked for the RIU for ?

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Hey JJ just meant no point jumpin the gun I guess, Sept still a ways away and until those regulation changes are out there for all, I'll hold my own counsel til then.....

Sprat,  whatever dude....

Hey Pound, which one are you talkin about mick or sprat?

 

Cheers Iraklis

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25 minutes ago, Iraklis said:

Hey JJ just meant no point jumpin the gun I guess, Sept still a ways away and until those regulation changes are out there for all, I'll hold my own counsel til then.....

Sprat,  whatever dude....

Hey Pound, which one are you talkin about mick or sprat?

 

Cheers Iraklis

 Micktap.

i don’t normally read the gypsy threads but I’ve been dragged into this through Inca and the appalling lack of knowledge demonstrated by the RIU, Plod and various posters here is absolutely staggering, dangerously so.

If they don’t know about these procedures why do they bother to comment and imply there’s inappropriate behaviour going on ? Are they just nasty or really fuckin think and ignorant ?

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1 hour ago, Rockburn said:

What do you use it for then?

Inflammatory receptor blockers

Stem cell differentiation in ligament or tendon injuries

Joint therapy, cartilage regeneration etc...

You guys are nutters talking the shit you do, as is Garrick Knight making comments about “blood” replacement....it doesn’t happen and cannot happen as described using convention veterinary medicine, you don’t “put blood back into the vascular system”.

That’s forty year old technology and is long long obsolete, google Lasse Viren for that ancient but irrelevant shit 

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5 hours ago, JackSprat said:

7 days is better than the current 1 day regulation, but it should be a mandatory stand-down period of 14-28 days following treatment. Remember the "only reason" these horses are being treated is because they're "injured" and unfit to race without this supposedly "non-performance enhancing" treatment. To be back to peak fitness 1 day later always seemed to be nothing short of a miracle ... imagine how good they'll be with an extra 6 days to recuperate!

In other news, apparently Mickey Mouse is frantically organising extra stabling with horses soon needing to be being shipped in 8 days before races instead of the day before as in the past! :rcfe-laughing:

Who is jack sprat.... anyone got his name ?

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46 minutes ago, tim vince said:

What do use a masseuse for if u are running a marathon.u ain't injured or unfit to race it can just  make u feel better.so I repeat stop telling lies that it  is used on injured and horse unfit to race.

You're seriously going to compare a massage to blood spinning? If you can't beat 'em then join 'em is alive and well in the north by the looks of it!

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2 minutes ago, MICHAEL HOUSE said:

Who is jack sprat.... anyone got his name ?

He's quite famous in nursery rhyme circles!

Jack Sprat could eat no fat.
His wife could eat no lean.
But, together both,
They licked the platter clean.

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1 hour ago, poundforpound said:

Inflammatory receptor blockers

Stem cell differentiation in ligament or tendon injuries

Joint therapy, cartilage regeneration etc...

Technical mumbo jumbo that translates to "pain killing anti-inflammatory"

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1 minute ago, JackSprat said:

He's quite famous in nursery rhyme circles!

Jack Sprat could eat no fat.
His wife could eat no lean.
But, together both,
They licked the platter clean.

There is a bounty on jack sprat identity.... anyone want make some money?  Hit me up.  M

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1 minute ago, MICHAEL HOUSE said:

There is a bounty on jack sprat identity.... anyone want make some money?  Hit me up.  M

How much are we talking here? I may be interested in handing myself in!

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28 minutes ago, JackSprat said:

How much are we talking here? I may be interested in handing myself in!

Your not that sort of person .... 

just in case your wrong you hide but in the mean time what you are is pretty evident to anyone 

my guess is your a non competitive horse trainer today who had a bit of a run once :::: you blame your poor performance on every one else cheating —— an I can just about guarantee there is no mirror in your house an if there is you never look in it

someone will front your name one day all weasels come out there holes sooner or later for a bit sunshine 

 

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