gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 vS yes LINDA JONES won the 1979 Wellington Derby on Holy Toledo for Levin Owner-Trainer Barbara Madsen. Barbara previously owned Rose Mellay who won the 1974 Auckland Cup trained by Errol Skelton and ridden by Bob Skelton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawke's Bay Lad 28 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 6 hours ago, We're Doomed said: I am pretty sure that Northfleet was trained by Alan Jones and Linda used to ride it. Dead right - Alan Jones had him. I just think he (Northfleet) spent time in the CD, maybe in his latter years. Just looked up what I could on the NZTR site about him, it only shows what I'm assuming is his last 30 starts between 1979 and 1981 and about 28 of them were in the CD. Like I said I thought Cyril had him at one part, in fact I'm sure he did. Unless I've gone totally crazy though I'm positive Noel Eales had him too. I do hope I'm right about the latter as I was apprenticed to "the Boss" (Noel) and I'm sure Northfleet was there, for a while at least. If I've got that wrong (which is very possible!) then I'm definitely at the brain fade age!! elbow and We're Doomed 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 John Paddy Busuttin trained Northfleet for those 28 starts. He won two races with him. The Woodville Cup on the 15/11/80 ridden by K. Nightingale and the Topsy Stakes at Otaki on the 13/12/80 ridden by K. Robinson with Shivaree and Bill Skelton second and Schenley and David Walsh third. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Smallhaussen 3,226 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, Hawke's Bay Lad said: Dead right - Alan Jones had him. I just think he (Northfleet) spent time in the CD, maybe in his latter years. Just looked up what I could on the NZTR site about him, it only shows what I'm assuming is his last 30 starts between 1979 and 1981 and about 28 of them were in the CD. Like I said I thought Cyril had him at one part, in fact I'm sure he did. Unless I've gone totally crazy though I'm positive Noel Eales had him too. I do hope I'm right about the latter as I was apprenticed to "the Boss" (Noel) and I'm sure Northfleet was there, for a while at least. If I've got that wrong (which is very possible!) then I'm definitely at the brain fade age!! Hi there HB Lad - Northfleet was owned by Trentham butcher - Ron Cowell. According to Mrs vS never trained at Trentham though. Mrs vS also surprised that you went to college in Nelson as can remember your dad in the Bank in the Hutt. Hope you guys are well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawke's Bay Lad 28 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, gubellini said: John Paddy Busuttin trained Northfleet for those 28 starts. He won two races with him. The Woodville Cup on the 15/11/80 ridden by K. Nightingale and the Topsy Stakes at Otaki on the 13/12/80 ridden by K. Robinson with Shivaree and Bill Skelton second and Schenley and David Walsh third. Well - there you go. I'd better not cancel that room I've booked at the rest home!! We're Doomed, THE TORCH and gubellini 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawke's Bay Lad 28 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 1 minute ago, von Smallhaussen said: Hi there HB Lad - Northfleet was owned by Trentham butcher - Ron Cowell. According to Mrs vS never trained at Trentham though. Mrs vS also surprised that you went to college in Nelson as can remember your dad in the Bank in the Hutt. Hope you guys are well. Cheers for that, and yes - all good here thank you and I hope the same with you and Mrs vS. Dad's first Bank Manager's job was in Foxton, then to Richmond and then the Hutt. He passed away about 4 years ago, was still living in Upper Hutt. Best John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wood 1,545 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 Both Greys, fooled LJ and I! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 Chris Wood yes Holy Toledo was a grey by Holy Smoke 2 and Northfleet a grey by Kazakstaan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wood 1,545 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 Grey to I think, lady trainer..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wood 1,545 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 Maureen Madsen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wood 1,545 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 Two very average stallions, they come from anywhere the good ones! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 Chris yes Holy Smoke 2 was by Palestine the sire of the hugely successful Pakistan 2. Kazakstaan was one of the best bred sires ever imported. By the English Derby and St Leger winner Never Say Die out of the English Oaks winner and Champion European Filly in 1959 and 1960 Petite Etoile. Problem was he was very small and never raced and finished up at Balcarres Stud in Matamata. elbow 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,539 Report post Posted April 5, 2019 On 4/2/2019 at 1:18 PM, elbow said: shorty actually regarded so lovely as his first 'unoficial winner'' nelson 1965 i think ridden by brian anderton think he was under 21 at the time n his father bill was actual trainer best winner would have been killjoy who won the stewards hp also mr richmond, battle joy, the yapper, baccalaurus, wom pom etc The good old days, remembering some of those horses and a few the old school trainers, tex kenalley, Ray Harris, Jim Lalor and Hellen Preston to name a few of my favorites, be many more I have forgotten, certainly enjoyed those days. elbow 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted April 5, 2019 On 4/1/2019 at 3:30 PM, gubellini said: John trained his first winner in rather bizarre circumstances. At the Nelson meeting on the 4/5/68 his horse Centaur ridden by Bill Beck won by a nose from Heffs ridden by Midge Didham. Following an inquiry Centaur was relegated to second for interference. At a later inquiry he was re- instated as the winner. I used to ride Centaur off the track when my father trained it at New Plymouth. Had plenty speed actually led up a star studded Wellington Stakes field to the furlong. After winning at New Plymouth was sold to Nelson to the father of NZ cricket wicket keeper at the time. Anyway the win at Nelson wasn't all that straight forward. The club judicial man who relegated Centaur was found to have a decent bet on the second horse hence the reinstatement. Met John a few times at the races. elbow 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE TORCH 657 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 On 4/5/2019 at 7:04 PM, slam dunk said: I used to ride Centaur off the track when my father trained it at New Plymouth. Had plenty speed actually led up a star studded Wellington Stakes field to the furlong. After winning at New Plymouth was sold to Nelson to the father of NZ cricket wicket keeper at the time. Anyway the win at Nelson wasn't all that straight forward. The club judicial man who relegated Centaur was found to have a decent bet on the second horse hence the reinstatement. Met John a few times at the races. Jock Edwards? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbow 50 Report post Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 5:14 AM, poundforpound said: More likely Ken Wadsworth yes was ken wadsworth's father bob who had a few gallopers over the years also owned top pacer in the 70's in captain harcourt ,ken died young with testicular cancer i recall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE TORCH 657 Report post Posted April 9, 2019 On 4/8/2019 at 10:49 AM, elbow said: yes was ken wadsworth's father bob who had a few gallopers over the years also owned top pacer in the 70's in captain harcourt ,ken died young with testicular cancer i recall Yes. As soon as I posted I realised the 60's were a good ten years before Jock. Jock does like the geegee's though and his good mate Wayne Hodgson (fellow rep cricketer, golfer, and bowler) used to own a good one in Italian Saint. elbow 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewandjo 129 Report post Posted April 9, 2019 On 4/2/2019 at 8:58 PM, Chris Wood said: Two very average stallions, they come from anywhere the good ones! Holy Smoke's only black type winner was Holy Toledo however Kazakstaan was a little more successful - Caulfield Cup winner Taksan and Rawson Stakes winner Minuetto among his 7 black type winners. Interestingly his 7 BT winners came from his first 3 crops - he never sired another in his remaining 8 crops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Hogg 320 Report post Posted April 11, 2019 Was at Sydney Cup in 1978 when Double Century won pretty sure Northfleet was in that race ridden by Linda Jones but brain might be getting a little foggy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...