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We have some lovely mares running around at the moment - if you owned them and money was no issue, which sire?

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If you owned these mares, which sire would you like to send them to?    No boundaries, could be Australasia, Asia, Americas or Europe - the breeding world is your oyster.   There is no right answer it's just interest as we all have our own theories.  

1.   Winx   (Street Cry/Vegas Showgirl)

2.  Rondinella   (Ocean Park/Valpolicella)

3.  Concert Hall   (Savabeel/Classic Legacy)

4.  In Her Time   (Time Thief/Hell it's Hot)

 

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The dam of Vegas Showgirl was sent to Deep Impact and Winx would very likely go there if she was served outside Australia.

Service fee of Yen 40,000,000 which is $540,000.

I understand there is no discount on service fee at Shadai where Deep Impact stands but if you sent all your mares you may get a discount on agistment.

Avilius out of a Sunday Silence mare. Sunday Silence the sire of Deep Impact.

Almond Eye out of a Sunday Silence mare. She won a big race in Dubai last night and should will now be rated higher than Winx on World rankings.

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Winx’s mum Vegas Showgirl was served by Japan’s phenomenal stallion Deep Impact this week as her owner John Camilleri continues his philosophy of mating the best with the best.

Vegas Showgirl is the third of three broodmares Camilleri sent to Deep Impact, with A Time For Julia and Peron already returning positive pregnancy tests at Paca Paca Farm in Japan.

The trio will return to Australia and Camilleri expected to continued his policy of keeping the offspring if the resultant foals are fillies, while and  colts are likely to be sold.

If the Deep Impact-Vegas Showgirl mating produces a colt and it makes its way to the sales ring, it would most likely set a new benchmark for yearlings sold in Australia.

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On 3/31/2019 at 9:09 AM, Nasrullah said:

The dam of Vegas Showgirl was sent to Deep Impact and Winx would very likely go there if she was served outside Australia.

Service fee of Yen 40,000,000 which is $540,000.

I understand there is no discount on service fee at Shadai where Deep Impact stands but if you sent all your mares you may get a discount on agistment.

Avilius out of a Sunday Silence mare. Sunday Silence the sire of Deep Impact.

Almond Eye out of a Sunday Silence mare. She won a big race in Dubai last night and should will now be rated higher than Winx on World rankings.

How can Almond Eye be rated as high as Winx. She beat two 114-118 rated horses which she needed to if she was going to be rated 124+. She's obviously top class but rated equal to Winx?!?....

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7 hours ago, Berri said:

How can Almond Eye be rated as high as Winx. She beat two 114-118 rated horses which she needed to if she was going to be rated 124+. She's obviously top class but rated equal to Winx?!?....

Not sure how they compare the two. But best to check out her Japan Cup run.

Almond Eye did win the Japan Cup over 2400m at her previous start in a world record 2:20.6.

I think Almond Eye will be better suited over 2400m of the Arc.

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In the Japan Cup, 2nd place getter had won the Japanese St Ledger in 2017 and hadn't won since, 3rd place getter quite smart but rated 120, 4th place getter 3 wins from 22 starts with top rated win 18 months previously. Although the race time was sensational, now not really an international race

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8 hours ago, Berri said:

In the Japan Cup, 2nd place getter had won the Japanese St Ledger in 2017 and hadn't won since, 3rd place getter quite smart but rated 120, 4th place getter 3 wins from 22 starts with top rated win 18 months previously. Although the race time was sensational, now not really an international race

Firstly the Japan Cup is one of the world most highly ranked races based on facts.

THE WORLD'S TOP 100 GROUP/GRADE ONE RACES for 3yo's and upwards - 2018
Rank Race Distance
(Metres)
Cat. Surface Race Track Country Qualification Pattern Race Rating
1 Qatar Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe 2400 L T PARISLONGCHAMP FR 3+ 125.00
2 LONGINES Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2000 I T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 123.75
3 Prince of Wales's Stakes 2000 I T ASCOT GB 4+ 123.25
4= Juddmonte International Stakes 2080 I T YORK GB 3+ 123.00
4= LONGINES Dubai Sheema Classic 2410 L T MEYDAN UAE 4+ 123.00
6 Breeders' Cup Classic 2000 I D CHURCHILL DOWNS USA 3+ 122.75
7= Japan Cup in association with LONGINES 2400 L T TOKYO JPN 3+ 122.50
7= Ladbrokes Cox Plate 2040 I T MOONEE VALLEY AUS 3+ 122.50
9= The Agency George Ryder Stakes 1500 M T ROSEHILL AUS 3+ 122.25
9= Colgate Optic White Stakes 1600 M T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 122.25
9= Prix Ganay - Prix de l'Inauguration de ParisLongchamp 2100 I T PARISLONGCHAMP FR 4+ 122.25
12= Investec Derby 2400 L T EPSOM DOWNS GB 3yo 121.75
12= King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2400 L T ASCOT GB 3+ 121.75
12= Coral-Eclipse  2000 I T SANDOWN PARK GB 3+ 121.25
12= QIPCO Champion Stakes 2000 I T ASCOT GB 3+ 121.25
16 Darley T. J. Smith Stakes  1200 S T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 121.00
17= Arima Kinen (The Grand Prix) 2500 L T NAKAYAMA JPN 3+ 120.75
17= Kentucky Derby Presented by Woodford Reserve 2000 I D CHURCHILL DOWNS USA 3yo 120.75
17= Tenno Sho (Autumn) 2000 I T TOKYO JPN 3+ 120.75
17= Winx Stakes  (Ex Warwick) 1400 M T RANDWICK AUS 3yo+ 120.75
21= Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud 2400 L T SAINT-CLOUD FR 4+ 120.25
21= LONGINES Breeders' Cup Turf 2400 L T CHURCHILL DOWNS USA 3+ 120.25
21= QIPCO Irish Champion Stakes 2000 I T LEOPARDSTOWN IRE 3+ 120.25
21= Tab Turnbull Stakes 2000 I T FLEMINGTON AUS 4+ 120.25
25 Prix du Haras de Fresnay-le-Buffard - Jacques Le Marois 1600 M T DEAUVILLE FR 3+ 120.00
26= Kirin Doomben 10,000 1200 S T DOOMBEN AUS 3+ 119.75
26= Prix du Moulin de Longchamp 1600 M T PARISLONGCHAMP FR 3+ 119.75
28 Schweppes All Aged Stakes 1400 M T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 119.50
29= Champions Mile 1600 M T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.25
29= Citi Hong Kong Gold Cup 2000 I T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.25
29= LONGINES Hong Kong Mile 1600 M T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.25
29= Queen Elizabeth II Stakes  1600 M T ASCOT GB 3+ 119.25
29= TwinSpires Breeders' Cup Sprint 1200 S D CHURCHILL DOWNS USA 3+ 119.25
34= Chairman's Sprint Prize 1200 S T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.00
34= LONGINES Hong Kong Cup 2000 I T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.00
34= Mostyn Copper Group Randwick Guineas 1600 M T RANDWICK AUS 3yo 119.00
34= Pegasus World Cup Invitational Stakes 1800 M D GULFSTREAM PARK USA 4+ 119.00
34= Preakness Stakes 1900 I D PIMLICO USA 3yo 119.00
34= VRC Sprint Classic 1200 S T FLEMINGTON AUS 3+ 119.00
40= Coolmore Fastnet Rock Matron Stakes 1600 M T LEOPARDSTOWN IRE 3+ F&M 118.75
40= Investec Coronation Cup 2400 L T EPSOM DOWNS GB 4+ 118.75
42= Coolmore Nunthorpe Stakes 1000 S T YORK GB 2+ 118.50
42= Ladbrokes Caulfield Stakes 2000 I T CAULFIELD AUS 3+ 118.50
42= LONGINES Hong Kong Sprint 1200 S T SHA TIN HK 3+ 118.50
42= Queen's Silver Jubilee Cup 1400 M T SHA TIN HK 3+ 118.50
42= Sun Met Celebrated with G. H. Mumm 2000 I T KENILWORTH SAF 3+ 118.50
47= Belmont Stakes Presented by NYRA Bets 2400 L D BELMONT PARK USA 3yo 118.25
47= Dubai Turf Sponsored by DP World 1800 M T MEYDAN UAE 4+ 118.25
47= Gold Cup at Santa Anita H'cap (ex Hollywood Gold Cup) 2000 I D SANTA ANITA USA 3+ 118.25
47= Osaka Hai 2000 I T HANSHIN JPN 4+ 118.25
47= Tab Epsom Handicap 1600 M T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 118.25

 

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8 hours ago, Berri said:

In the Japan Cup, 2nd place getter had won the Japanese St Ledger in 2017 and hadn't won since, 3rd place getter quite smart but rated 120, 4th place getter 3 wins from 22 starts with top rated win 18 months previously. Although the race time was sensational, now not really an international race

Forth placegetter in the Japan Cup was Cheval Grand. You stated above 3 wins from 22 starts.

His recorded form is -Cheval Grand 28 starts, 7 wins,6 seconds and 7 thirds.

Plus last start second in the Dubai Sheema Classic not included in that form!  https://www.jbis.jp/horse/0001152403/

As shown above the Japan Cup is currently rated equal to the Cox Plate.

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4 hours ago, Nasrullah said:

Firstly the Japan Cup is one of the world most highly ranked races based on facts.

THE WORLD'S TOP 100 GROUP/GRADE ONE RACES for 3yo's and upwards - 2018
Rank Race Distance
(Metres)
Cat. Surface Race Track Country Qualification Pattern Race Rating
1 Qatar Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe 2400 L T PARISLONGCHAMP FR 3+ 125.00
2 LONGINES Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2000 I T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 123.75
3 Prince of Wales's Stakes 2000 I T ASCOT GB 4+ 123.25
4= Juddmonte International Stakes 2080 I T YORK GB 3+ 123.00
4= LONGINES Dubai Sheema Classic 2410 L T MEYDAN UAE 4+ 123.00
6 Breeders' Cup Classic 2000 I D CHURCHILL DOWNS USA 3+ 122.75
7= Japan Cup in association with LONGINES 2400 L T TOKYO JPN 3+ 122.50
7= Ladbrokes Cox Plate 2040 I T MOONEE VALLEY AUS 3+ 122.50
9= The Agency George Ryder Stakes 1500 M T ROSEHILL AUS 3+ 122.25
9= Colgate Optic White Stakes 1600 M T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 122.25
9= Prix Ganay - Prix de l'Inauguration de ParisLongchamp 2100 I T PARISLONGCHAMP FR 4+ 122.25
12= Investec Derby 2400 L T EPSOM DOWNS GB 3yo 121.75
12= King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2400 L T ASCOT GB 3+ 121.75
12= Coral-Eclipse  2000 I T SANDOWN PARK GB 3+ 121.25
12= QIPCO Champion Stakes 2000 I T ASCOT GB 3+ 121.25
16 Darley T. J. Smith Stakes  1200 S T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 121.00
17= Arima Kinen (The Grand Prix) 2500 L T NAKAYAMA JPN 3+ 120.75
17= Kentucky Derby Presented by Woodford Reserve 2000 I D CHURCHILL DOWNS USA 3yo 120.75
17= Tenno Sho (Autumn) 2000 I T TOKYO JPN 3+ 120.75
17= Winx Stakes  (Ex Warwick) 1400 M T RANDWICK AUS 3yo+ 120.75
21= Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud 2400 L T SAINT-CLOUD FR 4+ 120.25
21= LONGINES Breeders' Cup Turf 2400 L T CHURCHILL DOWNS USA 3+ 120.25
21= QIPCO Irish Champion Stakes 2000 I T LEOPARDSTOWN IRE 3+ 120.25
21= Tab Turnbull Stakes 2000 I T FLEMINGTON AUS 4+ 120.25
25 Prix du Haras de Fresnay-le-Buffard - Jacques Le Marois 1600 M T DEAUVILLE FR 3+ 120.00
26= Kirin Doomben 10,000 1200 S T DOOMBEN AUS 3+ 119.75
26= Prix du Moulin de Longchamp 1600 M T PARISLONGCHAMP FR 3+ 119.75
28 Schweppes All Aged Stakes 1400 M T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 119.50
29= Champions Mile 1600 M T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.25
29= Citi Hong Kong Gold Cup 2000 I T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.25
29= LONGINES Hong Kong Mile 1600 M T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.25
29= Queen Elizabeth II Stakes  1600 M T ASCOT GB 3+ 119.25
29= TwinSpires Breeders' Cup Sprint 1200 S D CHURCHILL DOWNS USA 3+ 119.25
34= Chairman's Sprint Prize 1200 S T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.00
34= LONGINES Hong Kong Cup 2000 I T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.00
34= Mostyn Copper Group Randwick Guineas 1600 M T RANDWICK AUS 3yo 119.00
34= Pegasus World Cup Invitational Stakes 1800 M D GULFSTREAM PARK USA 4+ 119.00
34= Preakness Stakes 1900 I D PIMLICO USA 3yo 119.00
34= VRC Sprint Classic 1200 S T FLEMINGTON AUS 3+ 119.00
40= Coolmore Fastnet Rock Matron Stakes 1600 M T LEOPARDSTOWN IRE 3+ F&M 118.75
40= Investec Coronation Cup 2400 L T EPSOM DOWNS GB 4+ 118.75
42= Coolmore Nunthorpe Stakes 1000 S T YORK GB 2+ 118.50
42= Ladbrokes Caulfield Stakes 2000 I T CAULFIELD AUS 3+ 118.50
42= LONGINES Hong Kong Sprint 1200 S T SHA TIN HK 3+ 118.50
42= Queen's Silver Jubilee Cup 1400 M T SHA TIN HK 3+ 118.50
42= Sun Met Celebrated with G. H. Mumm 2000 I T KENILWORTH SAF 3+ 118.50
47= Belmont Stakes Presented by NYRA Bets 2400 L D BELMONT PARK USA 3yo 118.25
47= Dubai Turf Sponsored by DP World 1800 M T MEYDAN UAE 4+ 118.25
47= Gold Cup at Santa Anita H'cap (ex Hollywood Gold Cup) 2000 I D SANTA ANITA USA 3+ 118.25
47= Osaka Hai 2000 I T HANSHIN JPN 4+ 118.25
47= Tab Epsom Handicap 1600 M T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 118.25

 

Thanks Naz, puts a few races into perspective when thinking about stallion selections.

cheers

 

John

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5 hours ago, Nasrullah said:

Forth placegetter in the Japan Cup was Cheval Grand. You stated above 3 wins from 22 starts.

His recorded form is -Cheval Grand 28 starts, 7 wins,6 seconds and 7 thirds.

Plus last start second in the Dubai Sheema Classic not included in that form!  https://www.jbis.jp/horse/0001152403/

As shown above the Japan Cup is currently rated equal to the Cox Plate.

Racing Post are therefore behind the times in his race record. I just poached their record. Thanks for the update. Not really caring about the Japan Cup when it came to this discussion where you suggested that on her win in the desert Almond Eye should be rated equal to Winx (was she rated 130?).  I said bollocks to that. The Japan Cup win was rated 120 and I said she needed to win the desert race in the manner that she did to get a 124 rating although the opposition was only just so. Equal to Winx?....not on my watch

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11 hours ago, John Clydesdale said:

Thanks Naz, puts a few races into perspective when thinking about stallion selections.

cheers

 

John

So winning the Cox Plate has made Ocean Park one of the worlds most sought after stallions?

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8 hours ago, Huey said:

So winning the Cox Plate has made Ocean Park one of the worlds most sought after stallions?

While race ability has been shown to have a major component on a stallions success at stud, there are other factors also such as pedigree.

A reminder Savabeel won the Cox Plate.

Great thing about breeding- there are no rules!

 

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6 hours ago, Nasrullah said:

While race ability has been shown to have a major component on a stallions success at stud, there are other factors also such as pedigree.

A reminder Savabeel won the Cox Plate.

Great thing about breeding- there are no rules!

 

Totally correct. Huey is using post racing history to judge a race. Winx?????

 

cheers

 

John

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On ‎3‎/‎30‎/‎2019 at 10:47 PM, Chestnut said:

If you owned these mares, which sire would you like to send them to?    No boundaries, could be Australasia, Asia, Americas or Europe - the breeding world is your oyster.   There is no right answer it's just interest as we all have our own theories.  

1.   Winx   (Street Cry/Vegas Showgirl)

2.  Rondinella   (Ocean Park/Valpolicella)

3.  Concert Hall   (Savabeel/Classic Legacy)

4.  In Her Time   (Time Thief/Hell it's Hot)

 

Given the question posed is rhetorical,  no boundaries - for mine,  Dundeel would have to be a choice,  he'd do nicely for Concert Hall !

Have to give the others some more thought.

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While there is some debate over what rating a horse should be at I do think comparing a race rating by the average Timeform Rating of each entrant gives a good starting point.

After all I would rather have a Cox Plate placegetter than some 2yo or 3yo New Zealand Group One race when you don't know how good the rest of the field really is!

Some have gone over to Australia only to be six lengths behind the them at Group One.

Not trying to point out horses but merely trying to say placing against the best Timeform Rated horses is still better than comparing a horse winning against some average Timeform Rated horses. 

Obviously going to another country to race is not easy.

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With Deep Impact out of action for serving duties this will mean Winx will likely stay in Australia to be served.

My guess for the stallion they go to is Pierro, ahead of I Am Invincible and Snitzel.

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On 4/15/2019 at 10:41 AM, Nasrullah said:

With Deep Impact out of action for serving duties this will mean Winx will likely stay in Australia to be served.

My guess for the stallion they go to is Pierro, ahead of I Am Invincible and Snitzel.

From a strictly "on paper" pedigree point of view I would go with Snitzel from those three. The fact that he is commercially successful , while an important consideration, is a secondary for me.

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On 4/15/2019 at 10:41 AM, Nasrullah said:

With Deep Impact out of action for serving duties this will mean Winx will likely stay in Australia to be served.

My guess for the stallion they go to is Pierro, ahead of I Am Invincible and Snitzel.

Did Pierro race beyond 3? I seem to remember he had a stunning record but got beaten one day and was off to stud the next. Correct?

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16 hours ago, Jape said:

Did Pierro race beyond 3? I seem to remember he had a stunning record but got beaten one day and was off to stud the next. Correct?

(in Australia)

Age Runs 1st 2nd 3rd Earnings
2 6 6 - - A$2,946,150
3 8 5 2 1 A$1,590,500
Totals: 14 11 2 1 A$4,536,650

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Pierro 3yo form

At 3 : ATC (Rosehill) Canterbury S., Gr.1 (1300m beating More Joyous and Solzhenitsyn), George Ryder S., Gr.1 (1500m beating King Mufhasa and Shoot Out), Hobartville S., Gr.2(1400m beating Rebel Dane and Proisir), MVRC Bill Stutt S., Gr.2 (1600m beating Carringbush Jack and Jimando), ATC (Rosehill) Run to the Rose H., Gr.3 (1200m beating Your Song and Epaulette), 2d ATC (Randwick) Doncaster H., Gr.1 (1600m to Sacred Falls and beating Norzita), MRC Caulfield Guineas, Gr.1 (1600m to All Too Hard and beating Epaulette), 3d MVRC WS Cox P., Gr.1 (2050m to Ocean Park and All Too Hard)

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On 4/24/2019 at 1:54 PM, Nasrullah said:

(in Australia)

Age Runs 1st 2nd 3rd Earnings
2 6 6 - - A$2,946,150
3 8 5 2 1 A$1,590,500
Totals: 14 11 2 1 A$4,536,650

Thank you.

 

So not quite off the next but any more defeats were perhaps going to diminish his value.

Top horse.

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Pierro-  rated the best juvenile colt in Australia since 1977.

19/Sep/2011 2nd of 6 --trial--ATC Barrier Trial, 900m, time 0:56.37. Track good. Tatra was 1st and On Our Selection 3rd.  
01/Oct/2011 1st of 11 
(0.2)
ATC (Randwick) Breeders' P., L, A$100,000, 1000m, time 0:58.81. Track dead. Carried 56.00kg. Hidden Warrior was 2nd and Rusambo 3rd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: N Rawiller. A$60,000
07/Feb/2012 1st of 10 
(0.8)
--trial--ATC Barrier Trial, 900m, time 0:54.12. Track slow. Lightning Drew was 2nd and Steel Academy 3rd.  
03/Mar/2012 1st of 9 
(1.0)
ATC (Rosehill) Silver Slipper S., Gr.2, A$201,700, 1100m, time 1:06.80. Track heavy. Carried 56.50kg. Hussousa was 2nd and Kyria 3rd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: N Rawiller. A$121,700
24/Mar/2012 1st of 7 
(0.1)
ATC (Rosehill) Todman S., Gr.2, A$298,700, 1200m, time 1:12.14. Track dead. Carried 55.50kg. Epaulette was 2nd and Shelford 3rd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: N Rawiller. A$181,700
07/Apr/2012 1st of 16 
(0.4)
ATC (Rosehill) Golden Slipper S., Gr.1, A$3,532,750, 1200m, time 1:09.74. Track good. Carried 56.50kg. Snitzerland was 2nd and Samaready 3rd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: N Rawiller. A$2,032,750
14/Apr/2012 1st of 7 
(1.8)
ATC (Randwick) Sires' Produce S., Gr.1, A$500,000, 1400m, time 1:21.47. Track good. Carried 56.50kg. All Too Hard was 2nd and Limes 3rd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: N Rawiller. A$305,000
28/Apr/2012 1st of 9 
(2.8)
ATC (Randwick) Champagne S., Gr.1, A$405,000, 1600m, time 1:35.03. Track good. Carried 56.50kg. Dear Demi was 2nd and Tatra 3rd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: N Rawiller. A$245,000
01/Sep/2012 1st of 6 
(1.3)
ATC (Rosehill) Run to the Rose H., Gr.3, A$123,300, 1200m, time 1:09.86. Track good. Carried 60.00kg. Your Song was 2nd and Epaulette 3rd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: N Rawiller. A$75,800
28/Sep/2012 1st of 7 
(4.8)
MVRC Bill Stutt S., Gr.2, A$218,600, 1600m, time 1:36.31. Track dead. Carried 57.00kg. Carringbush Jack was 2nd and Jimando 3rd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: N Rawiller. A$133,000
13/Oct/2012 2nd of 8 
(0.5)
MRC Caulfield Guineas, Gr.1, A$1,008,000, 1600m, time 1:36.05. Track good. Carried 56.50kg. All Too Hard was 1st and Epaulette 3rd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: N Rawiller. A$180,000
27/Oct/2012 3rd of 14 
(4.1)
MVRC WS Cox P., Gr.1, A$3,050,000, 2040m, time 2:04.14. Track dead. Carried 49.50kg. Ocean Park was 1st and All Too Hard 2nd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: C W Brown. A$220,000
05/Feb/2013 1st of 9 --trial--ATC Barrier Trial, 1030m. King Cobia was 2nd and Urquidez 3rd.  
15/Feb/2013 2nd of 7 --trial--ATC Barrier Trial, 1200m. Landing was 1st and Dundeel 3rd.  
02/Mar/2013 1st of 10 
(0.1)
ATC (Rosehill) Hobartville S., Gr.2, A$201,700, 1400m, time 1:24.75. Track heavy(9). Carried 56.50kg. Rebel Dane was 2nd and Proisir 3rd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: N Rawiller. A$121,700
23/Mar/2013 1st of 10 
(0.8)
ATC (Rosehill) Canterbury S., Gr.1, A$355,000, 1300m, time 1:15.99. Track good(3). Carried 56.00kg. More Joyous was 2nd and Solzhenitsyn 3rd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: J A Cassidy. A$215,000
06/Apr/2013 1st of 12 
(0.4)
ATC (Rosehill) George Ryder S., Gr.1, A$405,000, 1500m, time 1:31.08. Track slow(7). Carried 56.50kg. King Mufhasa was 2nd and Shoot Out 3rd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: N Rawiller. A$245,000
20/Apr/2013 2nd of 18 
(0.8)
ATC (Randwick) Doncaster H., Gr.1, A$2,012,000, 1600m, time 1:37.99. Track heavy(10). Carried 57.00kg. Sacred Falls was 1st and Norzita 3rd. Trainer: Ms G Waterhouse. Owner: G Kolivos & Mrs D Kolivos. Jockey: N Rawiller. A$400,000

Leading 3YO Male on the 2013 WTR (Sprint). Champion 2YO in Australia in 2011-12. 

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