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Why haven’t we got the courage to give the critical jobs to Kiwis ?

NZ is unique......they should utilize our unique kiwis like Dean McKenzie and Butch Castles, and get a Kiwi like me to re-write the silly fucking handicapping model that’s ruining our racing 

This is from the UK overnight 

 

An MP has called on racing to end a sequence of damaging public arguments and begin working together after three Cheltenham Festival-winning trainers launched a ferocious assault on the BHA on Wednesday.

Laurence Robertson MP, chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Racing and Bloodstock Industries Group, said such disharmony was deeply damaging to the sport.

However, in a letter to the Racing Post, Henrietta Knight, Mick Channon and Charles Egerton lambasted BHA chief executive Nick Rust, criticising his handling of the sport and equine welfare and accusing the regulator of hiring too many Australians, who they claimed lacked an understanding of jump racing.

The trio took aim at numerous decisions over the last three decades, blaming the BHA for increasing summer jump racing, producing an unnecessarily large programme of mares-only races and over the licensing of some trainers. 

They also derided Jockey Club Racecourses for making alterations to the jumps course at Haydock and for closing Nottingham to jump racing in 1996, a move they believe has made it more difficult to prepare horses for major fixtures at Cheltenham and Aintree.

   



 Henrietta Knight: one of three trainers to attack the BHA

Hugh Routledge

 

In the letter, the trainers labelled Rust as “clearly not qualified” for his role, and rebuked him for comparing horseracing to sports such as hare coursing and fox hunting when referring to the need to have a proactive approach to welfare during a recent interview.

“The incumbent CEO is clearly not qualified to be involved in this process as he demonstrated by his absurd analogy on Sunday comparing racing with blood sports,” they said.

“His inability to grasp the relevant welfare issues facing racing – precipitated by the greed of the racecourses – and by presiding over an expansion of an underfunded fixture list with a horse population which is staffed inadequately, moving fixtures out of the core season to summer jumping, the plethora of mares-only races that will weaken the breed and distort pedigrees, racecourses over-racing and racing on false watered ground, and licensing trainers with unsustainable businesses are some of the welfare issues of the time that need addressing.”

This latest spat comes after an onslaught of criticism directed at the BHA, including a fallout with trainers over the directive for all jumps horses to wear hind shoes and controversy over bans handed out to jockeys following the running of the National Hunt Chase at the Cheltenham Festival, leading to accusations from trainer Henry Daly that the body was "sorely misguided and misrepresentative".

 



Laurence Robertson: wants racing to work together and stop fighting

David Pearce

 

Robertson, the MP for Tewkesbury, urged the sport’s professionals and regulator to engage in constructive talks to find solutions to problems and cultivate a more positive image of the industry for those outside racing.

He said: “There are so many disparate groups and it’s very unfortunate people feel the need to attack each other. It doesn’t help everything constantly spilling out into the open.

“It can’t be good and it would be better if these matters could be resolved in a sensible way. Communication is a big thing. If you can communicate with the people you are working with better than how you are, then they are going to be less aggrieved. Fairness is another side to it as they want to feel they are being treated fairly. It can’t be good [for the sport] to see people so publicly falling out.

“I am hopeful the BHA will improve and I have been fairly critical of it in some ways over the last few years, particularly around engagement on the funding issues. They are listening more now and are determined to move forward while taking on board some of the things that are said. I do have a lot of regard for Nick and [corporate affairs manager] Ross Hamilton, who seems a sensible voice too.”

 



Sir Anthony McCoy: concerned by the staffing at the BHA

Edward Whitaker

 

The staffing of the BHA was highlighted as an area of concern by Knight, Channon and Egerton, particularly focusing on a belief that employing Australians was having a detrimental effect on jumping, views also aired by 20-time champion jockey Sir Anthony McCoy.

The letter said: “It is also rather surprising that after a series of highly questionable appointments, we are still hiring people from the Antipodes, a region where they have successfully placated the ‘angry brigade’ and regulated jumping to near non-existence. Have we not got the necessary expertise nearer to home?

“Due to the lack of leadership over the last two decades, the culture within the BHA and the lack of knowledge of the people they have chosen to employ, the BHA has become a liability and detrimental to the future survival of our industry.”

The BHA received the backing of sports minister Mims Davies at last week's Cheltenham Festival, while Rust insisted on Sunday that the regulator's approach on welfare was driven by changes in public perception and the desire to keep control of racing in the sport's own hands.

Nevertheless, the three trainers called on racing to work together to bring in a new BHA chairman to offset what they feel is the desire to put commercial opportunities over the best interests of the sport.

"Nick Rust’s patronising interview confirms the urgency for the horsemen to start exercising their influence in the selection process of the new BHA chairman to avoid yet another disastrous period," they wrote.

"If we do not implement what is best for the long-term interest of the horse, and not be swayed by the best commercial argument at the time, racing deserves everything it will get coming to it."

Jockey Club Racecourses was unavailable for comment on Wednesday.

 

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2 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

Sure was Tim. ( Channon ) Played for Southampton and England...scored 250 odd goals in his career.

Channon , great windmill action during goal celebrations and known for calling Gary Lineker Gary Line Acre when he did the comments for football. Specialises in training large intakes of two year olds , targets the sales races es well but has some handy jumpers at times.

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3 hours ago, Red Rum said:

Channon , great windmill action during goal celebrations and known for calling Gary Lineker Gary Line Acre when he did the comments for football. Specialises in training large intakes of two year olds , targets the sales races es well but has some handy jumpers at times.

What do you know about the Frankel horse Eminent RR ? Mark Todd training for Vela and takes on the Ranvet fresh up.

I see he beat Avilius ( fave for the race ) by 5 lengths in France a while back so no mug obviously.

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1 hour ago, Ohokaman said:

What do you know about the Frankel horse Eminent RR ? Mark Todd training for Vela and takes on the Ranvet fresh up.

I see he beat Avilius ( fave for the race ) by 5 lengths in France a while back so no mug obviously.

Have a you tube of that race at Deauville , absolutely awesome performance , top line  . Went off boil last year but Meade moved stables so maybe settling in period for trainer cost him ,  haven't checked out Meades stats though to see if stable dipped after moving .Gut feeling is horse  is chasing his past and won't find it , just a stop off before stud here.Meade from reports I've read seemed surprised he was back in training as he was under impression horse retired.Be a good effort to get him back near best.

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33 minutes ago, Red Rum said:

Have a you tube of that race at Deauville , absolutely awesome performance , top line  . Went off boil last year but Meade moved stables so maybe settling in period for trainer cost him ,  haven't checked out Meades stats though to see if stable dipped after moving .Gut feeling is horse  is chasing his past and won't find it , just a stop off before stud here.Meade from reports I've read seemed surprised he was back in training as he was under impression horse retired.Be a good effort to get him back near best.

We've seen Benbatl down here so that is some clue, but looks like a wait and see job....

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/could-this-be-winx-s-biggest-nightmare-20190320

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I like him, I think on paper he's better than some in the race but tough ask if the track is crap  .. but it wouldn't surprise to see him running on and Toddy is known for instilling endurance.   Love his shoulder and that's always strong just whether or not his hindquarter is far enough along and that of course withers quicker than the shoulder,  but he's a talent :)  and yeah I'm a sucker for Frankel so I'll be tossing him out the love even if he finishes last  :)

 

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45 minutes ago, Chestnut said:

I like him, I think on paper he's better than some in the race but tough ask if the track is crap  .. but it wouldn't surprise to see him running on and Toddy is known for instilling endurance.   Love his shoulder and that's always strong just whether or not his hindquarter is far enough along and that of course withers quicker than the shoulder,  but he's a talent :)  and yeah I'm a sucker for Frankel so I'll be tossing him out the love even if he finishes last  :)

 

That 2000 Guineas win of Frankel I still watch from time to time . One of those things what my eyes sees the brain still cannot fathom . Poetry in motion that horse , and what a great way for a genius like Sir Henry Cecil to round out his life .

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So very true.   I had the absolute pleasure of meeting the quirky Sir Henry, absolutely delightful, my cup of tea totally :)  when I lived in the UK and I lived the dream seeing Reference Point win the Derby, he just wanted to win it.. so tenacious  :)  Racing has provided me with some very good memories and I value that when many are running it into the ground  :)

 

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3 minutes ago, Chestnut said:

So very true.   I had the absolute pleasure of meeting the quirky Sir Henry, absolutely delightful, my cup of tea totally :)  when I lived in the UK and I lived the dream seeing Reference Point win the Derby, he just wanted to win it.. so tenacious  :)  Racing has provided me with some very good memories and I value that when many are running it into the ground  :)

 

I was at the Eclipse that year when Reference Point got rolled by Mtoto. Lovely sunny day , so many good ones he had , Oh So Sharp , Indian Skimmer and Slip Anchor really stick in my mind.  He was  hero to the working class betting shop attendees.

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9 minutes ago, Chestnut said:

So very true.   I had the absolute pleasure of meeting the quirky Sir Henry, absolutely delightful, my cup of tea totally :)  when I lived in the UK and I lived the dream seeing Reference Point win the Derby, he just wanted to win it.. so tenacious  :)  Racing has provided me with some very good memories and I value that when many are running it into the ground  :)

 

As for Frankel , to get a line on how he sits , see what he did to a Mackinnon winner in Side Glance and Helmet in the Queen Anne , pulverized them both.

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Back to the topic that P4P started....this issue is the same down here but in a different version. Up there they have a group of really experienced experts in the jumping field. This has gone on from strength to strength where in the top 10 betting races in the UK, 9 of them are jumping races. There are also more people going to the jumping fixtures. The jumps racing is pressured by the do gooders who don't know about the animal, have no experience with the people, have no understanding of the culture, yet start to have the biggest voice. But this voice is not educated and has a completely different agenda. If you were going to have problems with jumpers, you wouldn't have jumps races on firmish tracks. Then you've got policy being made about what constitutes a good fence to jump and these do gooders are having a say in that as well. Now you get the idiots bureaucrats, the conflicted bureaucrats and those fuckwit politicians weigh in because they need the votes. And what do you get?....idiots making idiot decisions. Good on the horse people for standing up for what is right.

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1 hour ago, Berri said:

Back to the topic that P4P started....this issue is the same down here but in a different version. Up there they have a group of really experienced experts in the jumping field. This has gone on from strength to strength where in the top 10 betting races in the UK, 9 of them are jumping races. There are also more people going to the jumping fixtures. The jumps racing is pressured by the do gooders who don't know about the animal, have no experience with the people, have no understanding of the culture, yet start to have the biggest voice. But this voice is not educated and has a completely different agenda. If you were going to have problems with jumpers, you wouldn't have jumps races on firmish tracks. Then you've got policy being made about what constitutes a good fence to jump and these do gooders are having a say in that as well. Now you get the idiots bureaucrats, the conflicted bureaucrats and those fuckwit politicians weigh in because they need the votes. And what do you get?....idiots making idiot decisions. Good on the horse people for standing up for what is right.

As you would know Berri the RSPCA have been very involved in safety improvements , and over the years as a huge jumps fan imho in company with racing authorities have been doing a decent job. Together they have saved the National, looking back at old Nationals that I used to enjoy I wince at that horrific drop at Beechers and how the ground dropped away towards the brook.Personally looking back now that was not a fair fence . Racing needs to keep the moderate welfare advocates involved . A lot of those ex jumps horses live to a grand old age , it's the emotIive images that shock non racing people like Sir Erec in Triumph Hurdle last week. It's horrible but many more horses get a long and  pampered life than die on track over jumps . I remember when they raced on ground description hard ground when season used to kick off at Devon and Newton Abbot in late July , they no longer can race on that extreme of going so improvements have been made.

 

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What you say is correct in respect of the National fences but that’s not the real issue. The BHA wants to expand the summer jumps program when the tracks are hard. They are also wanting to decrease the size of the fences that will have the effect of being able to speed up the jumping. They also are closing tracks which are perfect venues for lead ups the the National. So the effect will be more deaths in jumps races because they’re going faster on form tracks and more deaths in the National because they’ve got rid of the important lead up races at the right venues.

 

decisions made by idiots 

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46 minutes ago, Berri said:

What you say is correct in respect of the National fences but that’s not the real issue. The BHA wants to expand the summer jumps program when the tracks are hard. They are also wanting to decrease the size of the fences that will have the effect of being able to speed up the jumping. They also are closing tracks which are perfect venues for lead ups the the National. So the effect will be more deaths in jumps races because they’re going faster on form tracks and more deaths in the National because they’ve got rid of the important lead up races at the right venues.

 

decisions made by idiots 

With you on closing the jumps courses  on  tracks , why Windsor or Nottingham went ive no idea , Windsor had lovely figure 8 course and had decent crowds in winter. Wolverhampton went to accommodate AWT I recall but Kempton of all places was looking like housing last year before they changed mind . I think most summer venues near to water reserves like Worcester but I liked the days its finish used be be Stratford week before Derby and kick off again last week July at Newton Abbot,  Devon and the other holiday area tracks . Close down jumps there then what,  point to points will have to go too , then the hunts would go even though they drag hunt now anyway,  but point to point funds the hunt to some degree . Thats tens of thousands of horses future looking like a Tesco Lasagne filling  , the militant welfare advocates do not think of this.

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