Berri 2,131 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 Saturday racing Tauranga's shortage of horses.... 6, 7, 7, 8, 9, 10, 6 and 10 runners Betting starts to drop drastically with less than 12 runners. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Smallhaussen 3,226 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 Matamata _ Wednesday, Te Aroha - Friday and now Tauranga - Saturday We're Doomed and army 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breeder 609 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 I think it is confirmation that there are too many meetings in NZ. Compared to the days when racing was only held on Saturdays and Wednesdays (outside of the Xmas / New Year period) there are probably less horses racing now so does it make sense to have so many meetings? Pam Robson, Baz (NZ), GOM and 1 other 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,004 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 Winston has boldly stated that he will raise Saturday stakes to a minimum of $50,000. Typical political posturing. The darker the day the brighter the future. Tauranga yesterday staged a $10,000 Maiden Race. Last Saturday Trentham staged a Maiden Race and a 2yo Race for $10,000. The same day Edenhope in Victoria staged three Maiden Races for $25,000. On the back of falling tote turnovers how credible is Winston’s promise?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breeder 609 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 Poundforpound I hold a similar view of the NZTR that you do. If reducing the number of meetings means a reduction of money to thoroughbred racing via the distribution system then that "formula" needs to be addressed at the same time. I do not pretend to understand the fine details of the funding system but racing is competing for a relatively finite discretionary / entertainment income pool. With a vastly increased number of options for people to spend that money on ( compared to say 30 - 40 years ago) then racing has to make sure it presents as a very good option. I happen to believe it has spread itself too thinly. What is the alternative ? More borrowing to improve stakes.? Baz (NZ) and Pam Robson 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,843 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 Hope you were on your namesake at Rockhampton yesterday P4P..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiknsmack 490 Report post Posted March 18, 2019 On 3/17/2019 at 12:12 PM, poundforpound said: So under S16 $$$$ distributions to the code are based on domestic share, so if you’re proposing less meetings can I presume you also want a smaller share of the industry pie ? Code distributions are based on domestic share of turnover. If fewer meetings (with higher stakes) mean larger fields, and larger fields mean more turnover per race, you could potentially increase thoroughbred turnover (and therefore code share of total turnover) by running fewer meetings. Baz (NZ) and Pam Robson 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,099 Report post Posted March 18, 2019 On 3/17/2019 at 12:50 PM, gubellini said: Winston has boldly stated that he will raise Saturday stakes to a minimum of $50,000. Typical political posturing. The darker the day the brighter the future. Tauranga yesterday staged a $10,000 Maiden Race. Last Saturday Trentham staged a Maiden Race and a 2yo Race for $10,000. The same day Edenhope in Victoria staged three Maiden Races for $25,000. On the back of falling tote turnovers how credible is Winston’s promise?! Winston has made a number of "bold statements" in his 40 year political career, none of which he has delivered on. I guess there's always a first but ................................. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiknsmack 490 Report post Posted March 18, 2019 1 minute ago, poundforpound said: and that’s why modest mid week meetings often draw bigger fields than say Ellerslie on a premier day Why do modest mid week meetings often draw bigger fields than say Ellerslie on a premier day? Honest question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,867 Report post Posted March 18, 2019 7 hours ago, chiknsmack said: Code distributions are based on domestic share of turnover. If fewer meetings (with higher stakes) mean larger fields, and larger fields mean more turnover per race, you could potentially increase thoroughbred turnover (and therefore code share of total turnover) by running fewer meetings. There is no evidence that larger stakes increase field sizes. Just look at the rating 65, 72 and 82 fields recently at Trentham for $30,000; they struggled to average 8 or so horses. And the $50,000 lower grade races at Ellerslie weren't flash; you generally get bigger fields in Southland for $10,000. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,867 Report post Posted March 18, 2019 A lot of the small fields are a result of administrative incompetence rather than a shortage of horses. Everytime you programme seven races rather than ten races you are eliminating dozens of horses who don't have a suitable race. Trainers looking for a 65 1,200m don't suddenly say "oh well, we will just race in the 82 1,600m instead". The reason there was no SI representation in the Derby or Oaks is because there hasn't been a 3yo race in the SI further than 1,600m this season, and only one over 1,600m since Cup Week. These are certainly trying times for Racing around the world, but a lot of the problems facing Racing in NZ are down to incompetence. Racing in NZ will never be rescued by people with no interest in it or commitment to it. elbow, Pam Robson, Huey and 3 others 4 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzy 143 Report post Posted March 18, 2019 19 hours ago, poundforpound said: .....and why The Derby doesn’t even get a capacity field any more except for this year when possibly the best horse was balloted out .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...