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I have just read the Wanganui statement to it's members regarding changes to trial rules following a court case involving Deb Edlin..

What an immature, pathetic response to the courts correct decision that the club had every chance to avoid. Does the club not know or respect the fact that we live in an era where there are health and safety laws that must be worked within.. The club clearly failed in it's responsibilities and not just in the case of Deb Edlin, it had other cases that it had refused to acknowledge, preferring to either bury their collective heads in the sand or arrogantly assume they were above the law. The association has made big noises in recent years about clubs having  liability insurance for these very instances. Maybe they should have run courses on how to avoid using it.

        The club had over 18 months deal with the issue but not only did they not have the sense  to come to an agreement with Deb, they still had not addressed the cause of the incident to prevent it happening again. That alone is a serious breach of the H&S act.

   GRNZ must look at themselves over this situation as well because it afforded the club the forlorn chance to avoid prosecution by hiding behind rules that are not worth the paper they are written on. The rules must be amended or removed as they impeach on our human rights and Debs case will used as precedent in the future.

To  try and make life as difficult as possible for the rest of the members and infer it is a result of Debs action ( an actio0n NZ law has deemed to be correct) smacks of a severe case of bad losers syndrome and a very childish attempt at that.

Shame on you Wanganui. The correct response would have been a public apology to Deb and Glen and a notification on how it will prevent this happening again in the future

Most of us as members having been  presented with the same circumstances as Deb would  probably have had a moan to the club, posted on here and given up, but Deb is a strong intelligent person whose interests were very probably in working for the good of the rest of us and the safety of the dogs rather than any benefit for herself. I respect her for that and congratulate her on her efforts

 

Mike Martin

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7 hours ago, GOM said:

...Most of us as members having been  presented with the same circumstances as Deb ...

 

 

What are these mysterious circumstances? It's worth knowing for other LP's who aren't club members. May affect all of us.

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The new procedures are 

1. All trials will be from boxes and from either the 305, 520 or 645m boxes,
and must be full trials.

2. All trainers to buy trial tickets from the secretary. Each trainer will
need to fill out the trial ticket to explain the trial they wish to
commence. If the ticket is not filled out, no trial,. The starters will not
accept any verbal communications for trial distances.  

3. Only the trials on the ticket will be allowed to commence 

4. There will be no hand slips conducted 

5. All dogs must be cleared to trial, without being on a stand down or have
any suspected injuries 

6. Trials will finish half an hour before the first race 

7. There will only be 25 trials before the first race. All other trials will
be held after the races 

8. All trial tickets will be numbered, and you must go in order. If you are
not there when you dog number is up, then you will loose your place in the
queue and will be trialled when possible. 

9. Reserve dogs and qualification dogs still have preference. Reserve dogs
to report to the kennel steward who will be given a vest on presentation of
their papers 

 

These procedures will occur on all trial days including Sundays. 


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56 minutes ago, iteruka said:

 

The new procedures are 

1. All trials will be from boxes and from either the 305, 520 or 645m boxes,
and must be full trials.

2. All trainers to buy trial tickets from the secretary. Each trainer will
need to fill out the trial ticket to explain the trial they wish to
commence. If the ticket is not filled out, no trial,. The starters will not
accept any verbal communications for trial distances.  

3. Only the trials on the ticket will be allowed to commence 

4. There will be no hand slips conducted 

5. All dogs must be cleared to trial, without being on a stand down or have
any suspected injuries 

6. Trials will finish half an hour before the first race 

7. There will only be 25 trials before the first race. All other trials will
be held after the races 

8. All trial tickets will be numbered, and you must go in order. If you are
not there when you dog number is up, then you will loose your place in the
queue and will be trialled when possible. 

9. Reserve dogs and qualification dogs still have preference. Reserve dogs
to report to the kennel steward who will be given a vest on presentation of
their papers 

 

These procedures will occur on all trial days including Sundays. 


Does that mean all dogs have to be vet checked before being allowed to trial?

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2 hours ago, iteruka said:

 

The new procedures are 

1. All trials will be from boxes and from either the 305, 520 or 645m boxes,
and must be full trials.

2. All trainers to buy trial tickets from the secretary. Each trainer will
need to fill out the trial ticket to explain the trial they wish to
commence. If the ticket is not filled out, no trial,. The starters will not
accept any verbal communications for trial distances.  

3. Only the trials on the ticket will be allowed to commence 

4. There will be no hand slips conducted 

5. All dogs must be cleared to trial, without being on a stand down or have
any suspected injuries 

6. Trials will finish half an hour before the first race 

7. There will only be 25 trials before the first race. All other trials will
be held after the races 

8. All trial tickets will be numbered, and you must go in order. If you are
not there when you dog number is up, then you will loose your place in the
queue and will be trialled when possible. 

9. Reserve dogs and qualification dogs still have preference. Reserve dogs
to report to the kennel steward who will be given a vest on presentation of
their papers 

 

These procedures will occur on all trial days including Sundays. 


Sue, you should have also icluded the intoduction to the letter explaining that the letter was sent because a member won a court case against the club

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Hmmm very poor response and absolutely no regard for lp's - Wanganui now rivalling Auckland in the poor public relations stakes.

Now dictating how you train and trial your dogs - No handslips ??????? - hey geniuses -  then how are you supposed to break pups in ???????????

And what about box to box trials from 520m when stepping up in distance from 305m to 520m or in preparation for a 520m.

  

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15 minutes ago, Flabbergasted said:

Hmmm very poor response and absolutely no regard for lp's - Wanganui now rivalling Auckland in the poor public relations stakes.

Now dictating how you train and trial your dogs - No handslips ??????? - hey geniuses -  then how are you supposed to break pups in ???????????

And what about box to box trials from 520m when stepping up in distance from 305m to 520m or in preparation for a 520m.

  

Yep, and who does that play into the hands of?  The 'Big Trainers' who have bullrings and straight tracks etc to train and educate on, it smacks of 'you lowly LP's wanna mess with us then we'll mess with you". 

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You would be referring to this part of the fiasco Mike.


"Recently one of the club members filed a claim in the Disputes Tribunal
against the club. Due to the findings from the hearing and after seeking
legal advice we are implementing immediate changes to the trial process to
limit the club's liability. At this stage these changes are temporary
measures until further notice. "

 

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That's thew bit Sue, 'Recently one of the club members filed a claim'.   

Completely uncalled for. Trying to piss the members off and lay the blamre at Debs feet. exrtemely disingenious and poor response.

Stop digging Whanganui

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14 hours ago, Lowdown said:

Yep, and who does that play into the hands of?  The 'Big Trainers' who have bullrings and straight tracks etc to train and educate on, it smacks of 'you lowly LP's wanna mess with us then we'll mess with you". 

Another lowdown cop out .... on poor me syndrome... you don’t have to be a big trainer to build yourself a bull ring . 

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I have heard this moron of a lure driver has been responsible for countless trial day incidents because he can't seem to follow instructions and doesn't know how to drive a lure successfully. 

I've lost a dog myself due to his compitence and I know of many others who have aswell.

I say well done to Deb Edlin trying to put a stop this person.

I also have to disagree with the wanganuis club response and believes the wanganui club clearly lack the balls needed to deal with the issue.

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What a bloody incompetent bunch the Wanganui club is! Absolute fiasco tonight! They send out the list of rules on Tuesday. No.2 on the list clearly states:

"All trainers to buy trial tickets from the secretary. Each trainer will need to fill out the trial ticket to explain the trial they wish to commence. If the ticket is not filled out, no trial,. The starters will not accept any verbal communications for trial distances."

They let Cole pre-book 15 of the 25 trial tickets via phone. That left 10 tickets for everyone else. The manager Andrew Hansen sends out an email at 1.43pm stating there are 6 trial tickets left, first in, first served. This is when trainers were traveling. Trainers who didn't have access to this email arrived at the track to trial and were turned away. Needless to say, there were a lot of very pissed off trainers and members. Nowhere in the list of rules does it say trial tickets can be booked by phone. No, it clearly states, what the conditions are. These people need to be removed from office, they work for all members, not Cole. Although given the number of dogs they handle for him on race days, it would be easy to confuse their status. Absolute disgrace!

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Wow!!

So you can no longer break in dogs at Wanganui and if your dog receives a failing to pursue  ticket, or a must perform a satisfactory trial etc... You may not trial it in preparation/education  as it’s been stood down???

This smacks of another part of our industry being run by people with no dog racing  knowledge !  - That or no brains!

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Well you are all allowed your opinion. But I think Mark is a very good lure driver. So he made a mistake that's life. 

Years ago we had a dog that we scratched ,was given a stand down of 28 days, for not having a valid reason, by the vet at the track, because the vet could not tell it had a hock problem  So we had to take the dog around the corner to M Jenson within the hour.This cost, so we asked the club to pay, they said no. This is before the RIU took over. We did ask M J to show that vet how to check hocks.

Bev

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Bev, he didn't just make a mistake he made a number of them that resulted in the demise of more than one dog. I have known Mark for a long time and consider him a good guy but this part of his long career in the dog industry may be the bit that he is remembered for. At the end of the day the club is responsible firstly for allowing the trials to be conducted without the correct procedure in place to protect the people and the animals . The fact that it did learn or care to correct the situation when the first had happened and then ignored Deb when she first she tried to get it corrected  suggest gross incompetence and the fact they keep digging as exemplified by Deb's latest post show the Whanganui committee or board or whatever they call themselves these days have laost the plot.

Listen up guys and gals the bloody club is there for the members not your fragile ego's

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2 hours ago, Betting man said:

Wow!!

So you can no longer break in dogs at Wanganui and if your dog receives a failing to pursue  ticket, or a must perform a satisfactory trial etc... You may not trial it in preparation/education  as it’s been stood down???

This smacks of another part of our industry being run by people with no dog racing  knowledge !  - That or no brains!

Totally agree. Any dog on a satisfactory stand down is entitled to trial. The club claims the situation is temporary, it is actually ridiculous!

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2 hours ago, POPA GAS said:

This why people do not come on here and give their opinion. When someone and can hide behind a nom-de-plume and lie.

Bev

Marks a terrible lure driver. Only a few months ago he pulled up the lure to fast and a dog flipped over the rail and injured it's back and shoulders. 

He should not be driving the lure period. The club are well aware of the problem and still have done nothing and being anonymous on here doesn't change these facts

Edited by Rules For Some

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I'm sure you would have heard about that trial. Many people witnessed the incident and this is only one of many. The wanganui club are a joke for not getting rid of this useless person sooner. Hope next time this driver is responsible for an injury, the club get sued again for their complete negligence to dog welfare

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Well I do not know about this happening. But you could tell us who the dog was so I could ask the trainer?

I was told by my son who has driven the lure a year ago, that there was no brake on it,and so you can not just stop fast.

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