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Weir waves the white flag

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31 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

Pity they didn’t use their resources as you’ve described it in your opening sentence......except they didn’t......they sent dozens of cops to a dawn raid, with the “press” in tow....to find SFA.......”.sledgehammer cracks peanut “ should’ve been the headline 

By the way I agree with you  , I don't like this press in tow stuff .

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Maybe.....but the Police and Racing Victoria had all the resources, and the media in tow, dawn raids, cops with guns on their hips, class A drugs, allegedly firearms, all fuel to fire up the internutters and the click bait media sluts ..... they didn’t need any of that, two cops in a plainclothes car could’ve slid up with a search warrant during afternoon tea and said “Weiry, we need to talk..........”

Clearly their intel was a crock of shit......

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1 minute ago, poundforpound said:

Maybe.....but the Police and Racing Victoria had all the resources, and the media in tow, dawn raids, cops with guns on their hips, class A drugs, allegedly firearms, all fuel to fire up the internutters and the click bait media sluts ..... they didn’t need any of that, two cops in a plainclothes car could’ve slid up with a search warrant during afternoon tea and said “Weiry, we need to talk..........”

Clearly their intel was a crock of 

Two cops not an option  , 200 employees , probably couple targets , loads bogs to flush stuff and huge area to search , trucks to search which might need moving so qualified drivers needed , specialist search teams maybe etc etc. I agree like I said about  press in tow , iam old fashioned,  do your job as quietly as you can no fuss . Modern world different . 

Had to laugh how tasers turned to jiggers , prods , buzzers . Imho as it stands he had them, it's against the rules for which there is a stated penalty  , he went guilty and has taken the medicine so if that's the guts of it I think most people deserve redemption at some point  , he hasn't killed anyone .

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7 minutes ago, Red Rum said:

Two cops not an option  , 200 employees , probably couple targets , loads bogs to flush stuff and huge area to search , trucks to search which might need moving so qualified drivers needed , specialist search teams maybe etc etc. I agree like I said about  press in tow , iam old fashioned,  do your job as quietly as you can no fuss . Modern world different . 

Had to laugh how tasers turned to jiggers , prods , buzzers . Imho as it stands he had them, it's against the rules for which there is a stated penalty  , he went guilty and has taken the medicine so if that's the guts of it I think most people deserve redemption at some point  , he hasn't killed anyone .

 Meantime many innocent wives were being beaten, and drugs were being peddled, drunken louts were bashing innocent tourists, reported burglaries hadn’t been attended to for days, patched bikers ran amok threatening and beating people, the terrorists were planning their next daytime knife attack, the homeless lay dying under cold wet bridges with syringes in their arms ........it’s a fucking joke......designed for the “press” to prove the insecure integrity department is doing its job ......

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1 minute ago, poundforpound said:

 Meantime many innocent wives were being beaten, and drugs were being peddled, drunken louts were bashing innocent tourists, burglaries hasn’t been attended to for days, the homeless lay dying under cold wet bridges with syringes in their arms ........it’s a fucking joke......

Most if not all  beat cops would never say no we don't want any more strength on shift guvnor we've got enough resources , all the issues have been solved .People have everyright to be critics of  the police , they pay their wages as taxpayers ,  it's good , its healthy to be able to question their actions , its sweeping statements as earlier in thread that all lie , only interested in  getting a conviction that is BS .Like saying all trainers dope because one did once , or all jocks pull horses because one did once  and so on.

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From the start i have always looked at this case as innocent until  proven  guilty Some of guys are "living in a bubble"!!Red Rum has done the detective work in plain English. The media was thrown a string of sausages and have (as expected )run with  it.

The prosecution have not said they have evidence of Weir using the equipment found,the charge is as a licenced trainer having them on property. Weir has put his hands up with hardly a chirp from his legal team.( think about it!)The RVI are taking the glory ,but it's  the team behind the scenes who planned the investigation. 

Before you jump on the bandwagon,my sources are not from the Victorian racing merry go round .

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14 hours ago, poundforpound said:

 Meantime many innocent wives were being beaten, and drugs were being peddled, drunken louts were bashing innocent tourists, reported burglaries hadn’t been attended to for days, patched bikers ran amok threatening and beating people, the terrorists were planning their next daytime knife attack, the homeless lay dying under cold wet bridges with syringes in their arms ........it’s a fucking joke......designed for the “press” to prove the insecure integrity department is doing its job ......

I thought police were charged with enforcing all areas of the law, not just violent crimes, theft and serious drug offences. Should they ignore white collar crime to expend more resources on violent crime?

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On the media response, I agree. It could well be over the top. It seems unlikely that the police have footage of usage or why would the have asked for it? Not to say that it is not out there.

Victoria Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Paterson has called on anyone with footage relevant to the investigation regarding the raid of Darren Weir's stable on Wednesday to come forward.

Paterson addressed the rumours that there is vision of jiggers being used, and called on anyone to submit potentially valid evidence to the authorities.

"I have heard that there may be footage in the public arena, they may have footage of jiggers being used," Paterson said on Wednesday.

"If that's the case, my call would be to anyone in the public arena, if they have such footage, that they come forward and provide it to Victoria Police for it to be assessed."

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38 minutes ago, Leggy said:

I thought police were charged with enforcing all areas of the law, not just violent crimes, theft and serious drug offences. Should they ignore white collar crime to expend more resources on violent crime?

I wasn't aware this Weir indiscretion constituted white collar crime sorry.....and as for dedication of resources, might I suggest you arrange to have your house or office burgled, then see how long before plod bothers to turn up, if at all......what I'm saying Leggy is that the Police should have priorities, and I just can't see how this exercise is a good or appropriate use of police resources, or a priority in terms of seriousness 

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There are some zealous former plod in nz who are making their mark.spose hard to come from murder to checking up on trainers who might make an innocent mistake.treat them the same seems to be the motto.

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Is this police enquiry finished and no further action taken or is it still going ? Police involved getting a bashing , how about judge it at end might be idea and if it's 3 cattle prods , spud gun and remnants in snap lock lay into them then. Big rush to judge Weir and big rush to slag plod . Weir at this stage only possession of 3 prods in bedroom and some want him hanged , now we have the armchair police , are they same as armchair jocks and trainers. 

 

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1 hour ago, tim vince said:

There are some zealous former plod in nz who are making their mark.spose hard to come from murder to checking up on trainers who might make an innocent mistake.treat them the same seems to be the motto.

From wikipedia

Principles

According to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, retributive justice is committed to three principles:

  • "Those who commit certain kinds of wrongful acts, paradigmatically serious crimes, morally deserve to suffer a proportionate punishment."[
  • It is "intrinsically morally good—good without reference to any other goods that might arise—if some legitimate punisher gives [those who commit certain kinds of wrongful acts] the punishment they deserve."[
  • "It is morally impermissible intentionally to punish the innocent or to inflict disproportionately large punishments on wrongdoers."

Proportionality

Proportionality requires that the level of punishment be related to the severity of the offending behaviour. An accurate reading of the biblical phrase "an eye for an eye" in Exodus and Leviticus is said to be: 'only one eye for one eye',[12] or "an eye in place of an eye". However, this does not mean that the punishment has to be equivalent to the crime. A retributive system must punish severe crimes more harshly than minor crimes, but retributivists differ about how harsh or soft the system should be overall. The crime's level of severity can be determined in multiple ways. Severity can be determined by the amount of harm, unfair advantage or the moral imbalance that the crime caused.

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3 hours ago, slam dunk said:

From wikipedia

The crime's level of severity can be determined in multiple ways. Severity can be determined by the amount of harm, unfair advantage or the moral imbalance that the crime caused.

Don't think we know that yet do we SD? We do know it had a big impact on a fair number of horses, owners and staff.

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What I find interesting is the number of weir runners that started today... no trainer/owner said they looked nervous, harmed, in fact they all said they looked healthy, ready to run, and the jockey comments were even more interesting, that they had been working slowly with some horses to get them to this point  ..  I don't know what's going on.. but these horses don't seem like they have been traumatised or conditioned to a response and it seemed that the racing community were very closed but in a detached way, supportive for Weir.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Leggy said:

Don't think we know that yet do we SD? We do know it had a big impact on a fair number of horses, owners and staff.

Yes I'm waiting for the police evidence of procuring an illegal financial advantage. All signs at the moment point to that being a clunker.

Also a straight up admission from DKW of the history of the prodders. Nevertheless justice is not administered on a speculative theory. There appears no valid reason why innocent owners last week were denied a start. The stewards have overstepped there. Also why Jarrod Maclean should be prevented from acquiring Weirs horses to train. In fact there appear so many injustices at some stage there has got to be law suits against Racing Victoria,

Its a massive overkill and as I have been victim of a civil injustice I've always taken an interest in them. The devoted staff who have nurtured these horses are being shoddily treated. Many its not so much the financial insecurity but the emotional hurt. Darren Weir didn't cause that hurt. The 60 to 70 staff on the Victoria racing Integrity outfit caused it by magnifying the offence to justify their no doubt comfy and well paid positions.

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Slam Dunk. It remains to be seen who is responsible for the staff finding themselves in their current predicament. We don't yet know what or if Weir was guilty of other than possesion of 3 prodders. Some staff may have seen theses prodders or indeeed participated in their use. There are a number of possible crimes being investigated by the police, lets wait and see what charges if any are made

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56 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

Another one.....although it is wild west Queensland so perhaps not a surprise...

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/new-jigger-scandal--ben-currie-facing-serious-animal-welfare-allegations-20190215

I see the stewards have banned him from starting his 3 horses at Doomben today. This has been coming for a while in regards to this guy

 

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On 2/8/2019 at 10:25 PM, poundforpound said:

FFS, there’s NO evidence any of them did ..........

FFS , for once the Greyhound Industry did it better !!

They had video evidence......

However Weir , no footage = 4 years

C*** , footage available = still training (involved)

mmmmmmm

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5 hours ago, kdt said:

I see the stewards have banned him from starting his 3 horses at Doomben today. This has been coming for a while in regards to this guy

 

No not quite right , his horses are allowed to start, he's been barred from entering Eagle Farm and Doomben

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32 minutes ago, Charlie Bukowski said:

No not quite right , his horses are allowed to start, he's been barred from entering Eagle Farm and Doomben

Thanks for that Charlie, got the wrong end of the info. In saying that this could only happen in QLD. They always have been a law unto themselves (ask Hec Anderton ) for a very long time, a bit like WA

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