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Weir waves the white flag

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Here is the full disciplinary record of disgraced trainer Darren Weir, banned on Wednesday for four years.

February, 2019 – Disqualified for four years on three charges over the discovery of jiggers and a charge of conduct prejudicial to the imagine of racing. 

September, 2018 – Fined $5000 after pleading guilty to making false or misleading statements over the identity of seven horses at the Ballarat trials on October 3.

January, 2018 – Fined $500 over the late on-course arrival of Night’s Watch at Doomben. The horse was scratched and missed the opportunity to qualify for the Magic Millions.

September, 2017 – Fined $2500 after pleading guilty to taking Air Guitar to the Burrumbeet trials when the horse had non-steroidal anti-inflammatories in its system.

November, 2013 – Fined $2000 after a security guard arrived at his Ballarat stable to monitor VRC sprint hopeful Platelet, only to find the horse had been transferred to Weir’s Warrnambool base without stewards’ knowledge. It was the seventh time in five years Weir had been called in by stewards for failing to notify a change of stable for his horses.

May, 2013 - Fined $7000 after Doing Our Best returned a positive swab to Frusemide after winning at Ballarat on February 16, 2013.

March, 2011 - Fined $500 for using abusive language towards a trackwork supervisor at Ballarat.

January, 2010 - Weir-trained Time Matters was withdrawn from a Listed race at Caulfield after a routine race day-stable inspection revealed the horse had been at Jarrod McLean's Warrnambool stable.

November, 2009 - Fined $1500 after Lethal Gal was scratched from Ballarat Cup Day after a race-day inspection at Weir's stable revealed the horse was located in a nearby stable of another trainer.

February, 2008 – Fined $15,000 after pleading guilty to sending Grey Jeune to the July 14, 2007 Murtoa meeting with an elevated bicarbonate (TC02) level. Grey Jeune won the Murtoa Cup, but was subsequently stripped of the win.

May, 2006 - Glebe Run was controversially scratched on the last day of the 2006 Warrnambool May Carnival. Stewards deemed there was a 'strong possibility' the horse had been stomach-tubed. Blood and urine tests from Glebe Run were clear and no action was taken against Weir.

September, 2003 – Suspended for three months after he was caught administering a substance via a stomach tube to Kinther King at Rupanyup on the way to the August 8 Murtoa races.

October, 2002 – Fined $1000 after being found in possession of stomach tubing equipment at Manangatang races.

January, 2001 – Suspended for eight weeks for giving false evidence over the late scratching of Amanda Huggenkiss at Warrnambool. Weir was followed by racetrack detective Peter McMillan into the float car park where Weir placed the horse on a float for 13 minutes before re-emerging.

January, 2001 – Fined $1000 for removing Amanda Huggenkiss from the saddling paddock at Warrnambool and for having a needle in his possession

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Pegasus, the list above is quite flattering. In that space of time Darren Weir has had something like 3500 winners and many more thousands of starters.

I don't see any animal cruelty charges or corruption charges yet some Aussie papers are screaming he has been charged with animal cruelty and corruption. They should be sued.

Darren Weir might be a genius trainer but one gets the impression he is naive in say legal matters. His strategy of pleading no contest dosen't seem to make sense. It hasn't stopped any further possible charges, He should have argued the 3 cheap devices were not being used and out of reach from staff. Also having already lost millions any further penalty totally disproportionate. Why should staff, owners, contractors all be penalized because of 3 cattle prodders. Yes Darren Weir does have cattle round ups.

This has been a massive media beatup and sadly the racing judiciary have fallen for it.

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2 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

The normal battery driven toys obviously not strong enough......:rolleyes:

Mains plug in better, so a friend told me, just beware a power surge.

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2 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

The normal battery driven toys obviously not strong enough......:rolleyes:

Mains plug in better, so a friend told me, just beware a power surge.

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1 hour ago, Hufkissen said:

There must be video evidence of the devices being used, surely? If the only evidence was that the devices were found in his house, then any lawyer worth their salt would have got him off.

If having them in your possession is the offence  as a licenced trainer , as my understanding is that was the charge ( not charged with using them )  and they were found in his safe in his bedroom please enlighten me what any lawyers opening gambit is on that one . I've heand a few good defence stories so will be interested . People generally do not give the inner sanctums safe codes or keys to any Tom Dick and Harry

It was planted your honour has been used before once or twice . Anyway he is reported to have said " sorry " after his sentence so obviously shows some level of decency to the jobs he's stuffed up for his employees.

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Disgruntled ex girlfriend or employee would be a good start.

Follow up with "I took them off an employee who longer works for me and had them secured for safe keeping. Just forgot to destroy them."

The arguments do not have to be good. Just create enough doubt.

Anyway as you rightly point out. Possession was the crime and he is doing the time. 

I suspect, with no firm evidence, that there is hint of a plea bargain. Speculation will now proceed to who takes over the stables.

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10 minutes ago, Hufkissen said:

Disgruntled ex girlfriend or employee would be a good start.

Follow up with "I took them off an employee who longer works for me and had them secured for safe keeping. Just forgot to destroy them."

The arguments do not have to be good. Just create enough doubt.

Anyway as you rightly point out. Possession was the crime and he is doing the time. 

I suspect, with no firm evidence, that there is hint of a plea bargain. Speculation will now proceed to who takes over the 

Any half decent beat cop could break down that argument on the street  imho , let alone a fed detective with time to do an interview plan in a warm office .They got to the  safe as result of search warrant , which needs an information laid to obtain , they are not issued like confetti.Safe would have other correspondence in all likelihood , dated . If he goes to safe regularly does he keep forgetting to get rid.  Why didn't he smash them up and bin them straight away , why in the safe . That kind of line of questions .If he found them and sacked employee there would be a paper trail. 

I reckon he has taken wise counsel from a good lawyer , take it on the  chin ,4 years , sort any other issues that are ongoing  and he could come back maybe  , he's not that old , that might have been his advice . Who knows.

Your right though,  who takes over . It's a big stables to be empty , but if he owns it not sure how that works as he has been warned off.

 

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Don't you think Weiry and his lawyer have done a deal with the Stewarts.  i.e. don't contest the charges and drag racing through months of bad press and we'll give you 4 years. Contest the charges and we'll smash you and give you at least 10 years.

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15 minutes ago, Mattski said:

Don't you think Weiry and his lawyer have done a deal with the Stewarts.  i.e. don't contest the charges and drag racing through months of bad press and we'll give you 4 years. Contest the charges and we'll smash you and give you at least 10 years.

This is just the beginning of this story. Will be life once the police sort out their business.

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U THINK.hhe had a good chance of getting  off but he didn't want staff dragged through th he drama.they have retained there jobs.wheres the video EVIDENCE?does it exist.lawyers have got a lot of people off.personally I think he has done the honourable thing.

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3 hours ago, tim vince said:

U THINK.hhe had a good chance of getting  off but he didn't want staff dragged through th he drama.they have retained there jobs.wheres the video EVIDENCE?does it exist.lawyers have got a lot of people off.personally I think he has done the honourable thing.

There is no video Tim.....

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/stewards-don-t-have-video-from-inside-darren-weir-stable-20190205

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4 hours ago, flockofewes2 said:

If my memory serves me correctly, there were always more rumors circulating about the F.B.I. [Freedman Brothers Incorporated] in their heyday, than there have been about Weir.

Sadly the Integrity Unit wasn't as well funded back then or the testing equipment as sophisticated as it is now.

I am still trying to work out, why such "an outstanding and successful trainer" as Lee Freedman obviously is, has ended up training in the backwater that is now Singapore, when he was clearly at the top of the heap that is Melbourne.  

I know where I would rather be!!!

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On 2/5/2019 at 4:50 PM, Ohokaman said:

Some serious racehorses gone elsewhere.....it would be hard for anyone to recover from this...

Last start Sandown Guineas winner Ringerdingding is the latest high-profile horse to leave the Darren Weir stable.

Like Group II winner Nature Strip and last start Moonee Valley winner Yes Yes Yes, Ringerdingding will now be trained by Chris Waller.

Racenet has compiled a list below of where some horses formerly trained by Weir have been confirmed as moved.

Horse

Best recent win

New trainer

EXTRA BRUT

Gr 1 Victoria Derby

Ciaron Maher & David Eustace

RINGERDINGDING

Gr 2 Sandown Guineas

Chris Waller

AMPHITRITE

Gr 1 Thousand Guineas

Hayes & Dabernig

LAND OF PLENTY

Gr 1 Toorak Hcp

Ciaron Maher & David Eustace

BRAVE SMASH

Gr 1 Manikato Stakes

Kris Lees

NATURE STRIP

Gr 2 McEwen Stakes

Chris Waller

VOODOO LAD

Gr 1 Winterbottam Stakes, Ascot

Ciaron Maher & David Eustace

FIFTY STARS

Gr 3 Sandown Stakes,2018

Hayes & Dabernig

GALLIC CHIEFTAIN

Warrnambool Cup

Archie Alexander

CHAUFFEUR

Flemington Open Hcp, Jan 12

Hayes & Dabernig

YES YES YES

Moonee Valley 2YO, Dec 29

Chris Waller

DECLARES WAR

Flemington 3&4YO BM70, Dec 15

Matt Cumani

THERMAL CURRENT

Listed Century Stakes, Flemington, 2018

Mathew Ellerton & Simon Zahre

NIGHT’S WATCH

Gr 3 Naturalism Stakes, Caulfield, 2018

Ciaron Maher & David Eustace

THEANSWERMYFRIEND

Listed Penny Edition Stakes, Morphettville, 2018

Chris Waller

AGE OF FIRE

3rd Listed Lord Stakes, Caulfield, Dec 26

Ciaron Maher & David Eustace

HAWKSHOT

Sandown 3YO BM64

Hayes & Dabernig

HULK

2nd Moonee Valley 2yo only start

Chris Waller

Humidor  - Ciaron Maher and David Eustace

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