uneasy 497 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 Have a guess? How many open class ( as deemed by NZTR ratings) horses are currently based in NZ and you wonder why our Group racing is under fire from international standards We're Doomed 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,869 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 I would suggest its not many based on the class of the feature races in NZ over the past 12 months...tell us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 Judging by the Wellington Cup field not many , it's pretty poor and abject by international standards. Doubt many would win a midweeker in Sydney or Melb The Telegraph looks hot though. 70 horses open class ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,855 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 Have we ever in the history of NZ racing had a 3 win horse who had only started once in an open class race go out second top weight in a Wgtn Cup? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,855 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 Interesting that four of the Telegraph contenders including the top weight have all come out of the open sprint at Wingatui on Boxing Day; two of them previous Telegraph winners. That race must be worthy of an upgrade sometime soon. Incidentally who are the sponsors of the Telegraph? Are they some sort of big international company I have never heard of? They have done it for a few years now. THE TORCH 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uneasy 497 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 Leo is right how could Flying Sardine get a bigger penalty 3 points for winning a mares WFA at Hokitika than Consensus 2 points did for a Group 3 at Trentham That's right South Island horses get harsher penalties THE TORCH 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,547 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 So...how many 'open class' horses ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,547 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, uneasy said: Leo is right how could Flying Sardine get a bigger penalty 3 points for winning a mares WFA at Hokitika than Consensus 2 points did for a Group 3 at Trentham That's right South Island horses get harsher penalties ...a ' WFA' with apprentice allowances....wtf? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 Probably stating obvious but big breeders seem to have biggest say in industry here . The tail wags dog here somewhat. A gelding bar what value it's success my put on a younger sibling at sales is worth nothing to breeding industry , it follows that once sold and money in bank , if raced in NZ they would want it slammed out of industry to make way for the mares to get blacktype for restocking and the cycle continues. It's so sale driven and export driven . Karaka will be on TV one national news , hand on heart ive never ever seen horses sales make local news anywhere else I've been in world and they sell for many sums more at Tatts Newmarket, let alone national news. I've never seen it in mainstream press anywhere else.Quite frankly a mainstream punter don't give a toss how much a horse costs , it's a name in racebook that's all with form attached. We are not a big punting nation that's the issue so keeping geldings filling fields not main concern to head honchos I'd guess when Breeder can snag a weak blacktype race somewhere . Baz (NZ) and THE TORCH 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerula 1,402 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Keeping every possible horse healthy, sound and racing should be our #1 priority given that each and every runner ( on average ) earns the entire tricode industry revenue said to be in excess of $15,000 ( per start.) Thats the post of the year - so far Leggy, Aaron Bidlake and Nearco 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,722 Report post Posted January 19, 2019 13 hours ago, poundforpound said: Keeping every possible horse healthy, sound and racing should be our #1 priority given that each and every runner ( on average ) earns the entire tricode industry revenue said to be in excess of $15,000 ( per start.) A real shame owners don't receive even a 10th of that per start! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uneasy 497 Report post Posted January 20, 2019 Right, as per NZTR rating site Open class R100+ There are less than 25 scooby3051 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted January 20, 2019 48 minutes ago, uneasy said: Right, as per NZTR rating site Open class R100+ There are less than 25 That's well below what I thought. How many actually still in training , might be lower even than 25 . The NZTR records are poor. I just had a check , a horse that's been dead a while is still shown in training so that's bit untidy in the bookkeeping . How often do they ask for stable returns ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,547 Report post Posted January 20, 2019 11 hours ago, uneasy said: Right, as per NZTR rating site Open class R100+ There are less than 25 Thanks Pitty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,869 Report post Posted January 20, 2019 No wonder the Group races are cactus internationally...soon we will be lucky to have any recognised.... Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripple alliance 1,026 Report post Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 7:05 PM, uneasy said: Right, as per NZTR rating site Open class R100+ There are less than 25 Well uneasy that's the system we have and most supported it when this system was introduced . The drop back system is why we have so few open class horses . If we turn the clock back far enough we had at one time only three basic classes , maidens , hacks and open , win a mdn then 3 hacks and you were open class for ever , that system worked for 70 years plus . If you look at Wingatui on Thursday , Secret Power , Bally Bay , What's up alf , Hoofbeat , BridgetTown and Cairnsville would have been in open company for life , today they are R82 and R65 , if the old system was still in place we could have at least 100 probably 250 open class gallopers in NZ . I don't know if today is better or not but the system is the reason we have so few genuine open class gallopers . Under the old system the bulk of the Wellington cup field would have been classed as open class , one of the exceptions was Gorbachev . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewandjo 129 Report post Posted January 21, 2019 10 hours ago, scooby3051 said: No wonder the Group races are cactus internationally...soon we will be lucky to have any recognised.... unlikely Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,869 Report post Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, drewandjo said: unlikely Not so if the standard does not improve we wont have many recognised as Group One class internationally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
