doric68 38 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 Just watched race 6 from Ellerslie.Why was the winner only put back to 2nd when 3rd & 4th were also interfered with & could have won.That result stinks. (it only cost me $6) but I feel sorry for 3rd & 4th. hedley, napier, Rusty and 3 others 5 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Sparrow 702 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 I couldn't agree more. That was a travesty. The winner should have been relegated to fourth because the three horses outside him were cannoned into and had their chances severely affected as a result. The narrowness of the margins coupled with the fact that Opie made no attempt to straighten the horse up made this decision one of the worst I have seen in 50 years of involvement with racing. Insider, napier, chevy86 and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdt 291 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 38 minutes ago, High Sparrow said: I couldn't agree more. That was a travesty. The winner should have been relegated to fourth because the three horses outside him were cannoned into and had their chances severely affected as a result. The narrowness of the margins coupled with the fact that Opie made no attempt to straighten the horse up made this decision one of the worst I have seen in 50 years of involvement with racing. The Stewards Report is out and Opie has neither a suspension or fine Insider, napier, Baz (NZ) and 1 other 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 High Sparrow Prise De Fer was on one rein in the last 100m of the race. Very difficult for Opie to straighten him up. However the wider issue for me is that any other rider would have been either fined or suspended. We need a Messara type report into the RIU and the JCA. Yet again we see an A Lister like Opie get the velvet glove treatment from these bodies while for lack of a better term B Listers like Trudy Thornton and Bridget Grylls get the iron fist treatment. I have no beef with Opie. I consider him to be the best rider in NZ. However it is high time that the RIU and the JCA treated every licence holder equally. hedley, Insider, army and 4 others 6 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,680 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, kdt said: The Stewards Report is out and Opie has neither a suspension or fine Protected species--Waddell or C Johnson would have copped 6 months.Interesting that Williamson recommended greater sanction as all of the other 3 were hampered but some guy Dooley (when was he a jockey or hands-on racing man?) disagreed. gubellini, Patiti, Insider and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jape 344 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 I believe Opie Bosson is about to commence a suspension for a careless riding charge earlier in the week. Jason Waddell has picked up a very nice ride as a result at the upcoming Wellington meeting. The criterion for a change of placing is that the horse interfered with would have beaten the horse that caused the interference. The JCA obviously decided that the second horse would have done so, but not the 3rd or 4th.. That they were severely interfered with was/is not, in itself, justification for relegation. An interesting case, indeed. Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 Margins were ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtab 95 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 Nose,neck,nose Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Berri 2,131 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 In France the horse would have been disqualified to last. Can't understand why the horse wasn't put back to at least 4th. It interfered with the 2nd who cannoned into the third and 4th as a consentina. Also Opie was on one reign and it was shifting out. Why didn't he swap over the whip into his left hand. Should have been suspended. Cost the place getters a purse, cost the punters a pure result, and has once again created uncomfortable discussion. A joke once again. chevy86, Ohokaman, napier and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,680 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 Just add it to Ligeiro, Magic Briar, Viennetta list of shameful judicial decisions. Interesting? that all the "beneficiaries" in these decisions were "big" names--O'Sullivan, Baker, and no surprise, Te Akau. napier and hedley 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 I just watched the video. Interesting case. I guess the thing is the interference happened really close to the finish, actually hard to line up just where the finish line is on the head on. Certainly going by the margins it is hard to say that the 2nd horse was denied a winning chance, but not the others. Quite an unusual case really. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,759 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 10 hours ago, Jape said: I believe Opie Bosson is about to commence a suspension for a careless riding charge earlier in the week. Jason Waddell has picked up a very nice ride as a result at the upcoming Wellington meeting. The criterion for a change of placing is that the horse interfered with would have beaten the horse that caused the interference. The JCA obviously decided that the second horse would have done so, but not the 3rd or 4th.. That they were severely interfered with was/is not, in itself, justification for relegation. An interesting case, indeed. I backed In a Twinkling so obviously wasn't happy with the result. He was coming home hard when he was cannoned into by Pikes horse which effectively stopped Coleman using the whip... hard to say whether he would have got up or not but certainly stopped momentum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnipOrange 147 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, dbtab said: Nose,neck,nose Where did the neck come from, looked like nose,nose,nose,nose for me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uneasy 497 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 Officially short head, short head, nose .03 of a second between 1st to 4th without having the opportunity to see films hear evidence etc, surprise more placings weren't reversed. OP? napier 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,005 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 Hard to see how the first two could be reversed without the winner being put back to 4th. Very odd decision going by the available vision. napier 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,759 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 Who is this bloke Dooley anyway...?? https://theinformant.co.nz/prise-de-fer-relegated-after-chain-reaction/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,680 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: Who is this bloke Dooley anyway...?? https://theinformant.co.nz/prise-de-fer-relegated-after-chain-reaction/ The same wise one that oversaw the Sakhee's Soldier/Rising Romance decision a few years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 Dooley on jc a. Always very good the dealings I have had with him.very competent and measured.it was never going to be easy one but I wouldn't bag him .has had a lot of hands on experience.u can't please everyone all the time but personally I have confidence when I walk into a jc a inquiry I'm going to get a fair outcome.mightnt like it though. Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Sparrow 702 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 16 hours ago, gubellini said: I agree that Opie is the best rider in NZ. Personally Chris Johnson is my favourite - the Lester Pigggottof NZ racing in terms of his balance on a horse and they run for him because he gets them balanced and the other thing I like about Chris is that he doesn't knock them about when they are doing their best. Opie is a superb rider and he put that horse through a needle eye gap but then didn't correct him when he first started to run out and bumped the horse next to him which then had a cannoning effect on the others and definitely impeded their chances. Here's the video for those interested: https://loveracing.nz/RaceInfo#bm-meeting-racereplays The head-on is very telling in my humble opinion. I totally agree with you that everyone should be treated equally and this does not appear to have happened in this instance. Unbelievable he never got suspended. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted January 13, 2019 Was he not suspended as he would of been out for Karaka millions and he’s on the Fav ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,759 Report post Posted January 14, 2019 36 minutes ago, High Sparrow said: Having seen that again I reckon In a Twinkling would have won that.... Leggy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted January 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Leggy said: Hard to see how the first two could be reversed without the winner being put back to 4th. Very odd decision going by the available vision. Exactly. After the race I sent a text to a mate saying the winner would get relegated to fourth. Leggy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,759 Report post Posted January 14, 2019 45 minutes ago, puha said: Was he not suspended as he would of been out for Karaka millions and he’s on the Fav ? Out until the 20th. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted January 14, 2019 Interesting that the same trainer had to speak on behalf of the original winner and the 4th horse. Not very convincing re the winner, mentioning that the horse was inexperienced, which is irrelevant, and saying he was "not sure" if the other horses would have got past him. Probably safe to say that CWJ would have got six weeks if he had been the jockey and did that. Insider and Leggy 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...