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Winston addresses NZTR and MINISTERIAL COMMITTEE ANNOUNCED

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Very lame speech, anyone else read it ?

All the indications are that the industry is in a state of flux ( you can call it chaos ) with various clubs, and the gypsies, opposed to NZTR’s master plan, and for those who’re growing cynical about the implementation of the Messara plan, well you’d be smiling after that speech because it lacked passion and promised very little.

Any thoughts from those who’ve read it ??

 

 

 

10 DECEMBER 2018

"The way ahead"

RT HON WINSTON PETERS

Deputy Prime Minister

 

Racing

Opening Remarks at the Thoroughbred Racing Club Conference and Annual General Meeting

 

[CHECK AGAINST DELIVERY]

Introduction

Good morning ladies and gentlemen.

Thank you for your invitation to be part of your conference and Annual General Meeting, and to deliver the opening address. This is an opportunity to reflect on an eventful year and to look to the future

As you will know, the New Zealand Racing Board Annual Report was recently published. While the report indicated that profits are up there are those who remain concerned about the financial health of the racing industry, and about the ability of the Racing Board to ensure the financial future of the industry. The increase in money made available to the three racing codes to just over $148 million is welcome. It might help, but the Racing Board can still do a great deal more to support the three racing codes. This government will ensure that this happens. Returns have been too low for too long.

The Annual Report also records a significant decrease in equity. This is down from last year by 22.9 per cent. The Annual Report explains that this reduction results from the cost of planned investments and the increased distributions. While that may be so, it still heightens concern about the financial health of the industry.

Concerns remain about the Racing Boards Fixed Odds Betting platform. This initiative is yet to be introduced and it is late. The launch date has repeatedly shifted and there is chance now this may not take place until next year. There are indications that this project, which was forecast to be $38 million, has cost overruns. Again this is very concerning. 

Another concern is that the abandonment or postponement of races due to weather conditions happens too often in New Zealand. 

Last year 36 races were abandoned in New Zealand due to poor track conditions. 27 of these were on thoroughbred tracks. While 13 of the 27 races were rescheduled, there was a direct economic impact on owners and trainers, and indirect economic impact on the wider region. These abandoned races resulted in approximately $2 million of potential net profit lost to the industry.

A recent visit to Ireland highlighted the importance of better tracks and facilities, including all-weather synthetic tracks. We spent some time with people who are experts in their field, and the cautionary tale they told us about the need to get the right tracks is so important. 

We have found the money for three but we want sound, fail-safe, alternatives when we talk about new tracks. They will all be different around New Zealand. 

All-weather synthetic race tracks reduce the number of race cancellations.

These are some of the concerns, but there is still much to be positive about. This year has been extremely important for New Zealand racing. The delivery of the Messara Report means it is a different year to any other. We are on the cusp of real change and a positive future.

You know what the Report says in particular with the 17 key recommendations including six of importance to thoroughbreds:

increased prizemoney;

increased returns to owners;

incentives to invest in horses (buy ins and breeding);

increased race fields;

increased wagering; and

increased industry revenues.

The thrust of the Report’s recommendations line up with the New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing’s views. We welcomed your support as we move into the most challenging phase – beginning real change on the ground. 

Submissions on the report

At the time of releasing the Report we called for the industry and public to make their views known and they did - with almost 1,700 submissions.  

As one would expect, the New Zealand Racing Board and each of the Code bodies provided submissions. In addition, 50 submissions were received from Racing Clubs and 17 were received from organisations within the racing industry. 112 submissions were received from organisations and groups not directly related to the racing industry and the remaining submissions came from individuals.

Since that time all these have each been reviewed individually.

Of the 1,700 submissions, 1,182 were on a single issue – which was opposing the Report’s specific sub-recommendation that proposes allowing the Racing Board to acquire Class 4 pokie venues. These were largely form-style submissions with the vast majority coming via an online form.

However outside of this single issue campaign, the majority of the remaining submissions were generally supportive of the Report’s overall direction.

272 submissions indicated support for the overall intent of the Report and the remaining negative comments were largely directed towards specific recommendations.

The recommendations that received the most support from the submitters who commented on them were:

Introducing robust processes to establish traceability from birth and the re-homing of the entire Thoroughbred herd;

Initiating a special review of the structure and efficacy of the Racing Integrity Unit by an independent qualified person;  

Changing the composition and qualifications for directors of regulatory bodies; 

Seeking approval for a suite of new wagering products to increase funding for the industry; and

Introducing a Race Field and Point of Consumption Tax.

There was also, as you would expect, some areas that have less agreement. Outside of the issue around pokie venues just mentioned, there were concerns raised around issues such the closures of specific racecourses. 

One can agree with consolidation of racecourses being a challenge, but it is hard to disagree that 48 venues is too many.

Another consistent theme in the submissions was how sports, sporting organisations and sports betting fit into any future change.  So there is a lot of work still to be done.   

Next steps

Cabinet has recently agreed, upon recommendation, to establish a Ministerial Advisory Committee to drive and inform government decisions on the Report’s recommendations. The committee will be charged with setting a sense of direction for the intended racing reforms. It will also report on opportunities and roadblocks to returning the racing industry to a well-managed and sustainable economic growth path.

The submissions on the Report will help both inform the work of the Ministerial Advisory Committee and ultimately be an important input into the government’s final decision on the review. 

It is the intent of the Government to stay faithful to the Messara Report. We didn’t get him over here to give his expert advice and experience - independent, neutral and unbiased – to then ignore it. We are going to go for broke as much as it possibly can be done. 

He will admit, like others, that there are one or two things that we can’t do or we have to tweak or change. We’re going to make sure we keep in close consultation with him and others who helped at the time to ensure we remain faithful to the report. 

We expect to announce the membership of the committee before the end of the year. The committee will provide an interim report in the first quarter of next year and we anticipate having Cabinet decision on the future of racing soon thereafter. There is an expectation for this to include the introduction of legislative changes to work towards modernising the industry.

We can all see that the conditions are there to make this the thriving industry it once was.

The goals are lofty, including:

a substantial increase in the collective returns to New Zealand owners; and

a substantial increase in the industry’s overall economic contribution.

For this to be achievable, an immediate and collective effort will be needed for the industry to turn itself around. And it won’t be easy.

The New Zealand racing industry can have the brighter future it deserves, but real change and brave leadership will be required from us all.

Thank you for your continuing support as we move to decide exactly what changes will be made. But we know that speed, unction and immediacy is required here. We don’t want to be waiting around for months and years. We are now on the road to real change and a better future.

We have the chance to turn the industry’s future around together and to take our place as we once were, back in the elite of world racing. We have to make that investment.

All the best for your conference.

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C’mon intelligent racing people.

These are what’s claimed are the main areas of concern, the essence of the opposition, in the 1700 submissions 

Does anyone honestly beIieve that the the grabbing of all clubs net assets is not the area of most opposition ?, yet it’s not mentioned.

This is just another obfuscation of the process, a virtual admission that the aims of the Messara report are

proving to be unattainable and unrealistic, and that, in conjunction with the lack of code leadership, means we’re going nowhere in a hurry.

Surprise, surprise.

 

 

The recommendations that received the most support from the submitters who commented on them were:

Introducing robust processes to establish traceability from birth and the re-homing of the entire Thoroughbred herd;

Initiating a special review of the structure and efficacy of the Racing Integrity Unit by an independent qualified person;  

Changing the composition and qualifications for directors of regulatory bodies; 

Seeking approval for a suite of new wagering products to increase funding for the industry; and

Introducing a Race Field and Point of Consumption Tax.

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Here’s the truth from our region, and NZTR hate me telling the truth because it shows what bumbling fools they are 

The two biggest clubs in the North Island are now jacking up and saying ( my words ) “yes we want change, yes we support the Messara report, but pick all the other clubs and grab their net assets, not ours”.

Ellerslie is handing over nothing, and nor is Te Rapa.

The new training tricode super centre model intended for Cambridge is in chaos, the gypsies are revolting ( no jokes please, it was intended ) and Saundry isn’t capable of coalescing the various groups involved to source consensus and funding.

It’s just a fucking mess out there in the NZ racing administration and leadership world ...... and I told you this would happen

WTF does NZ racing keep investing faith and hope in the same old guys ( literally, tired old men with no fresh ideas ) who led us into oblivion, and now we expect them to lead us out of it !!!

FFS NZ, wake up, get rid of these low achievers and put some bright young things in charge of our future 

Can we agree to make a New Years resolution, “let’s actually do something in 2019”

 

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But thats just it the people who can make a noise don't they are toothless tigers and have no balls...one or two strikes would surely make them wake up..but no we all just sit back and cop it...our own fault for just doing nothing, and letting them have their way...JMO.

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2 hours ago, poundforpound said:

C’mon intelligent racing people.

These are what’s claimed are the main areas of concern, the essence of the opposition, in the 1700 submissions 

Does anyone honestly beIieve that the the grabbing of all clubs net assets is not the area of most opposition ?, yet it’s not mentioned.

This is just another obfuscation of the process, a virtual admission that the aims of the Messara report are

proving to be unattainable and unrealistic, and that, in conjunction with the lack of code leadership, means we’re going nowhere in a hurry.

Surprise, surprise.

 

 

The recommendations that received the most support from the submitters who commented on them were:

Introducing robust processes to establish traceability from birth and the re-homing of the entire Thoroughbred herd;

Initiating a special review of the structure and efficacy of the Racing Integrity Unit by an independent qualified person;  

Changing the composition and qualifications for directors of regulatory bodies; 

Seeking approval for a suite of new wagering products to increase funding for the industry; and

Introducing a Race Field and Point of Consumption Tax.

While the glaring omission is the proposed land/ asset grab, although no doubt the Clubs had their say on that, are they really saying that 1182 submissions out of 1700 thought acquiring Class 4 pokie venues was the most important issue ?? Given the number of individual on line submissions, no doubt from many not enamoured with racing, perhaps this is not surprising. 

There is disguised " criticism" of NZ Racing bodies throughout this, so perhaps a good reason why the asset grab is left out....who in their right mind would hand over any more crown jewels to this lot ??

The support for Messara and his report is mentioned a number of times ( why get him here, then ignore recommendations etc ) so ironic they felt the need to go to Ireland ( tacked onto the All Black test no doubt ) to find "experts" on AWT's....maybe he learnt something new there.

The MAC looks like another time consuming exercise...who will be on that, how will it work...? I'd suggest it will be very difficult.

272 out of over 1700 doesn't look like any great mandate to me Winston....:rolleyes:

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As an aside, can we believe anything this bloke says ?

NZ to sign the UN migration pact

 

 Winston-Peters.jpg?w=620&ssl=1

The man pictured above has campaigned throughout his political life on reducing immigration. He has always said that we should keep migrant numbers down and that it is very important that New Zealand keeps its unique culture. It is our geography more than anything that has enabled us to stop illegal migrants from pouring into our country, and we have also had a bit of help from Australia. Now that is all going to change. The man above, who has campaigned for as long as I can remember on lowering immigration, is one of the parties responsible for it.

He is selling our country down the Nile for whatever his 30 pieces of silver consist of.

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Prediction , very little will happen that will effect the majority of trainers , the reason being the bulk of trainers are over 60 , if the Messara report is adopted it will take at least 6 years to implement , in other words who cares , we are to old . Peters seems to be taking a softer view of the RB , acknowledging the improved pay out , equity down 22% but that comes down to the increase in stake money the RB advanced he codes , Peters himself put the brakes on racefields which is costly , it's claimed $1million a month yet in his speech he seems to be indorsing racefields . 

The claim that abandonments cost $2 million is arguable , it may have cost the RB $2 million but that $2 million is spread over the 3 codes .

Submissions , here's the surprise , it seems many individuals opposing track closures didn't bother submitting , of the almost 1700 submitters 1182 were in opposition to pokies only 67 clubs or organisations within the industry submitted , 112 not directly related to racing and 272 in support of Messara .  Assuming the 67 clubs etc and the 112 who submitted that are not directly related to racing opposed Messara and we ignore the pokie objectors then we have majority of submitters in favour of the Messara report by 272 to 179 opposed . 

Track closure compromise , let them stay as in most cases the sale value of those assets in remote areas is arguable , quite possibly not enough to do any good . Why not this , create a new level of racing , bush style , $3000 maximum stake , years ago we held non tote races and division races with reduced stakes . At these proposed low tier meetings stake pay out determined by field size , 5 horse field , winner take , all 2nd and 3rd free start , the rest some type of transport payment (important down our way)  , that type of thing , make it cheaper to support these meetings than trialling . The public will still attend those special days the tote turnover won't alter much and the clubs that say that they are viable and can stand alone will have the chance to prove it . 

As for the rest ,  let the RB get on with it and prove they know what they are doing , if they fail again then have another look but as things stand today , to much rocking the boat will cause more problems than it's worth , especially if you are over 60 .

 

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Laughable to blame Peters for anything.

 

Years of incompetent,gravy training administration that had no vision,no appreciation of customer service and no understanding of long term development initiatives.

Thoroughbred racing is doomed in NZ,thats the reality.Lacking critical mass and pathetic prize money as costs escalate,the lifeblood of the industry+punters are happily migrating to international events and sports betting.

The  appalling governance and cronyism  pigeons of  NZ  RACING  are coming home to..roost.

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You wouldn't expect individuals to get involved in the Club question, that would be left to the relevant administrators. If every Member or supporter of each Club got involved ( which might have been a good idea ) the picture would look quite different.

Apathetic lot us Kiwis, that's the problem.

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I would be interested to know who wrote Winston’s speech?! All he needed to say was that he is a puppet for the Elite Breeders and Owners. Ellerslie on Saturday ran a Maiden 1200m for $10,000. The same day Stawell a Victorian Club a notch above the Picnic Clubs staged Maiden Races for $25,000. One of the horses I have a share in ran second at Matamata last Friday. The $2,000 stake will cover a fortnight expenses or just over. In 12 months time we will still be in the same position!

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why is everyone on here so anti Winston?

If someone read the nonsense on here and knew nothing about the racing industry they would think our previous racing ministers on here were fantastic for the racing industry.

Can someone on here give me one good thing a national racing minister has done since they were  in power???

At least Winston is trying resuscitate a dying industry

My opinion there seems to much focus on the  clubs land etc

The game changer in the messara report is getting the tab outsourced and getting rid of the many suits in wellington that will go with it

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I think I can answer you Winx21. Firstly, you’re right about past Racing Ministers but looking back doesn’t help going forward. The current Minister can only be judged on what he does to work with the Racing Industry and improve it under his watch. His speech (shown above) contains little we don’t already know. Secondly, “who is the V’Landys” of NZ Racing? Who is going to be the driver? The person who doesn’t give a rats about who he/she pisses off whilst rebuilding the Industry? Who is that person? The person who can set out a Plan that will reinvigorate the Industry, get the Govt to buy in, the Industry as a whole to embrace and provide a realistic and believable timeline to realise the recovery plan. Until the swamp is drained and someone like V’Landys is put in charge and given a blank canvas, the status quo will remain. Winston is not the solution but he is definitely part of the equation. The one thing he could do is sack the entire NZ Racing Board and start from scratch. Who is the V’Landys?

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winx 21 true that Nathan Guy and David Bennett were non starters as Racing Ministers under the last National Junta. Trump your man to head Rita is Owen Glenn. Fresh up over a Herculean last start victory over fellow rich lister Eric Watson. Bemused to read in today’s Herald that Watson hasn’t got enough money to pay Glenn back! Perhaps we should start a Give A Little Page for the impecunious Eric?!

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43 minutes ago, Trump said:

I think I can answer you Winx21. Firstly, you’re right about past Racing Ministers but looking back doesn’t help going forward. The current Minister can only be judged on what he does to work with the Racing Industry and improve it under his watch. His speech (shown above) contains little we don’t already know. Secondly, “who is the V’Landys” of NZ Racing? Who is going to be the driver? The person who doesn’t give a rats about who he/she pisses off whilst rebuilding the Industry? Who is that person? The person who can set out a Plan that will reinvigorate the Industry, get the Govt to buy in, the Industry as a whole to embrace and provide a realistic and believable timeline to realise the recovery plan. Until the swamp is drained and someone like V’Landys is put in charge and given a blank canvas, the status quo will remain. Winston is not the solution but he is definitely part of the equation. The one thing he could do is sack the entire NZ Racing Board and start from scratch. Who is the V’Landys?

Winston thinks he's the man Trumpy....at least he's trying ( very at times ) but all we've got so far is talk and reports. Now he wants to set up another time wasting MAC ( wonder who "recommended" that ? ) which means more suits in charge of defusing a minefield.

Needs someone like Leo to really shake things up, and to get things done. Otherwise it's likely to be a long wait. Another election not far away and if this lot get kicked out, what then....???

 

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5 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

As an aside, can we believe anything this bloke says ?

NZ to sign the UN migration pact

 

 Winston-Peters.jpg?w=620&ssl=1

The man pictured above has campaigned throughout his political life on reducing immigration. He has always said that we should keep migrant numbers down and that it is very important that New Zealand keeps its unique culture. It is our geography more than anything that has enabled us to stop illegal migrants from pouring into our country, and we have also had a bit of help from Australia. Now that is all going to change. The man above, who has campaigned for as long as I can remember on lowering immigration, is one of the parties responsible for it.

He is selling our country down the Nile for whatever his 30 pieces of silver consist of.

Unless it’s Karol Sroubek, then it’s ok because he’s only an associate to murder, a fraudster, a drug smuggler, wife beater, and a Hells Angels affiliate.....but Winston said he’s ok to stay in NZ 

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2 hours ago, gubellini said:

winx 21 true that Nathan Guy and David Bennett were non starters as Racing Ministers under the last National Junta. Trump your man to head Rita is Owen Glenn. Fresh up over a Herculean last start victory over fellow rich lister Eric Watson. Bemused to read in today’s Herald that Watson hasn’t got enough money to pay Glenn back! Perhaps we should start a Give A Little Page for the impecunious Eric?!

You know what our Racing Industry would do ...

Employ Watson !!!

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A couple of other points 

The suggestion abandonments costs the industry millions is untrue. It costs trainers, owners and jockeys travel costs, but the industry days cost the code more than they generate so a ( non Saturday ) abandonment actually saves the industry money.

Secondly, the NZRB / TAB already has class 4 gambling licenses for every TAB with pokies so fuck knows what he’s on about there. 

Just two of many clear errors the well soaked old fool has made in this tawdry presentation 

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Blow me over with a feather. Minutes ago NZTR released a statement that the Government has announced a $610,649 package for 25 Projects at tracks belonging to all three codes. A small start but maybe a harbinger of things to come? Let’s hope so!

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3 hours ago, Trump said:

I think I can answer you Winx21. Firstly, you’re right about past Racing Ministers but looking back doesn’t help going forward. The current Minister can only be judged on what he does to work with the Racing Industry and improve it under his watch. His speech (shown above) contains little we don’t already know. Secondly, “who is the V’Landys” of NZ Racing? Who is going to be the driver? The person who doesn’t give a rats about who he/she pisses off whilst rebuilding the Industry? Who is that person? The person who can set out a Plan that will reinvigorate the Industry, get the Govt to buy in, the Industry as a whole to embrace and provide a realistic and believable timeline to realise the recovery plan. Until the swamp is drained and someone like V’Landys is put in charge and given a blank canvas, the status quo will remain. Winston is not the solution but he is definitely part of the equation. The one thing he could do is sack the entire NZ Racing Board and start from scratch. Who is the V’Landys?

Congrats to you Trump, one of the better posts on here for quite some time on this topic

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36 minutes ago, gubellini said:

Blow me over with a feather. Minutes ago NZTR released a statement that the Government has announced a $610,649 package for 25 Projects at tracks belonging to all three codes. A small start but maybe a harbinger of things to come? Let’s hope so!

$25,400 per project, you’re kidding us right ?

WTF can they fix for $25k per project ?

 Maybe paint the grandstand seats, or the running rails, couldn’t be much else could it ?

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7 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

$25,400 per project, you’re kidding us right ?

WTF can they fix for $25k per project ?

 Maybe paint the grandstand seats, or the running rails, couldn’t be much else could it ?

Not at Avondale it couldn't ....:rolleyes:

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