Rusty 575 Report post Posted November 24, 2018 Would I be "RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT" in thinking there was no starter Lamb in the mobile for the first today at Motukarararara? Is this the first trotting club in Canterbury to go vegetarian? Finally! Let us pray and hope so. john legend and Iraklis 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted November 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rusty said: Would I be "RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT" in thinking there was no starter Lamb in the mobile for the first today at Motukarararara? Is this the first trotting club in Canterbury to go vegetarian? Finally! Let us pray and hope so. Given what were supposed to be standing starts yesterday who knows which one will turn up today Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty 575 Report post Posted November 24, 2018 Ricky Donnelly the starter today? Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted November 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Rusty said: Ricky Donnelly the starter today? Long overdue and a top bloke as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,863 Report post Posted November 25, 2018 I do not know much about how its supposed to be done..but the start for the the trotting cup looked to be a debacle. Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty 575 Report post Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, scooby3051 said: I do not know much about how its supposed to be done..but the start for the the trotting cup looked to be a debacle. Correct. It has been a debacle and embarrassing feature most years for the cup. The horses change, the drivers come and go, but the starter remains the same. Fartoomuch and Thejanitor 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thejanitor 1,218 Report post Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, scooby3051 said: I do not know much about how its supposed to be done..but the start for the the trotting cup looked to be a debacle. It was. Starting methods seem to have changed. When Jack Mulcay was starter the procedure was that the No. 1 horse would line-up at the tape first and the others follow suit, you would end up with a straight line of horses on the tape, they would stand for a moment and then the tape would fly. This years Cup was different, the No. 1 horse, The Fixer, was three lengths from the tape when the tape flew. Fortunately, for the horses' connections, it didn't matter much because many other horses were also out of line. Despite breaking for a few strides the horse soon made up ground. I think the horse broke because Rasmussen had to rush it to get a handy spot in the running because she probably wasn't expecting the tape to fly when it did? If Lamb is to remain starter the Cup should become a mobile start. Edited November 26, 2018 by Thejanitor spelling Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overcheck 190 Report post Posted November 26, 2018 50 minutes ago, Thejanitor said: It was. Starting methods seem to have changed. When Jack Mulcay was starter the procedure was that the No. 1 horse would line-up at the tape first and the others follow suit, you would end up with a straight line of horses on the tape, they would stand for a moment and then the tape would fly. This years Cup was different, the No. 1 horse, The Fixer, was three lengths from the tape when the tape flew. Fortunately, for the horses' connections, it didn't matter much because many other horses were also out of line. Despite breaking for a few strides the horse soon made up ground. I think the horse broke because Rasmussen had to rush it to get a handy spot in the running because she probably wasn't expecting the tape to fly when it did? If Lamb is to remain starter the Cup should become a mobile start. I don't want the cup to become a mobile start or the race will be in danger of becoming just another race, as the Auckland Cup did as a mobile 2600m race. But you are right Thejanitor, Mulcay and Ron Carter before him did not have the trouble this starter has because once a horse played up more than once it was sent to the outside before the rest of the field became unsettled. Also I think in fairness to Lamb trainers were better at getting a horse to stand properly. The horses and drivers though have to now work out whether it is a stand or a walk up which doesn't help. The "old school" had it right, so why change it? Fartoomuch, Thejanitor, Iraklis and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted November 26, 2018 the drivers know Lamb's ways and try and get a flyer by anticipating his call. The more he uses the jog up starting method, he has invented the more these "cunning" drivers will play it and try to get an advantage over others. Lamb also appears to have the mantle of Senior Starter for the harness code so there is no one to "sharpen him up" john legend and Thejanitor 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty 575 Report post Posted November 26, 2018 Is there anyone on here, or can anyone name an individual that would like to see Mr Lamb being retained as a race day starter? Relatives excluded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty 575 Report post Posted November 26, 2018 I only ask as there does seem to be an overwhelming percentage of people that have expressed some degree of concern with his methods. Jack Mulcay was a brilliant starter. Just had the knack. Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty 575 Report post Posted November 26, 2018 I wish sometimes I was a computer geek, then I could post Geraldine Race 5 from the other day on here. How that wasn't a false start I will never know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted November 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Rusty said: I wish sometimes I was a computer geek, then I could post Geraldine Race 5 from the other day on here. How that wasn't a false start I will never know. That's the race I was referring to very early on in this thread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty 575 Report post Posted November 26, 2018 Sorry Fartoomuch, yeah it was beyond belief. How a horse could break from the front line, come back onto the 2nd row horse, during a mobile start, causing interference to it, before the release point, and for it not to be called a false start?? Usually that would be described as unbelievable. Usually. But sadly I can believe it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 743 Report post Posted November 28, 2018 Rusty no need to exclude relatives My bet still difficult to find someone to defend" his starting procedure". I did discusswith Gary Phillips that he might like a week in November next year to be at addington to avoid current malaise. As the present encumbent is part of the Judiciary which in effect controls the starter and can fine him for incompetence there has to be a conflict of interest Thejanitor, ShiftingGround, lamour and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
