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Like I say pound for pound ,you put a spin on it that reflects better on those accused than if the spin was coming from the other side. Your obviously trying to help certain parties and good luck to you in respect of that. I think your reference to ex cops and to the riu really does nothing for your argument, as I think we must judge this not on personalities but on the facts.

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Ahh, the "facts". Something that has been sadly lacking in this case from day one!

Pound4pound's explanation about the police's lack of understanding of "racing vernacular" is spot on. Any trainer or driver worth their salt is always trying to gather "competitive intelligence". Who's looking for the front? Who's going back at the start? Who's confident? Who's not? Who's travelled well? Who hasn't? Who's worked well during the week? Who hasn't? None of which in any way constitutes race fixing.

There's a world of difference between gathering information that may give you a slight competitive advantage, and "fixing" a race. In fact, I'd be seriously concerned if my driver wasn't continuously gathering information about his opposition in search of a competitive advantage!

It appeared from the very start that the police had added 2 and 2 together, and came up with 27! The longer this matter drags on, the more apparent this is becoming!

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Seriously WAP ?

Firstly the Police have had their say through the media, a rather triumphant display it was too.....the media have had their say.....it’s the defendants who don’t have a voice and I’m just giving this some balance and perspective.

I reiterate though, I’ve only seen 200 pages of evidence so far, there could be 400 more to come and I can’t possibly know what might be in any further undiscovered documents. Time will tell.

As for my criticisms of a couple of the RIU personnel....they’re fair, and given the manner in which this issue was exposed in the media and through mainstream TV you’d hope that if and when any charges are dismissed ( a lot will be before this goes to trial ) someone amongst those driving this will be made accountable, and if it turns out to be the RIU behind it then they should be charged with bringing racing into disrepute don’t you think ?

I should add that I’ve only seen material relating to two parties, and I’ve been offered copies of two others, an offer I may take up in the New Year, but it’s quite possible there are others who may have transgressed but I haven’t had the opportunity to peruse the evidence against them. 

Jack Sprat is onto it......and I can tell you that the sectional and tempo experts will make a mockery of the Police allegations under oath ( based on the data taken from the races allegedly fixed.)

 

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5 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

Seriously ?

Firstly the Police have had their say through the media, a rather triumphant display it was too.....the media have had their say.....it’s the defendants who don’t have a voice and I’m just giving this toxic drivel you write ( you’re clearly ignorant of the facts ) some balance and perspective.

Toxic drivel, i like your colourful language. I may not agree with what you have to say,but your  always entertaining. Keep it up.

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12 minutes ago, JackSprat said:

Ahh, the "facts". Something that has been sadly lacking in this case from day one!

Pound4pound's explanation about the police's lack of understanding of "racing vernacular" is spot on. Any trainer or driver worth their salt is always trying to gather "competitive intelligence". Who's looking for the front? Who's going back at the start? Who's confident? Who's not? Who's travelled well? Who hasn't? Who's worked well during the week? Who hasn't? None of which in any way constitutes race fixing.

There's a world of difference between gathering information that may give you a slight competitive advantage, and "fixing" a race. In fact, I'd be seriously concerned if my driver wasn't continuously gathering information about his opposition in search of a competitive advantage!

It appeared from the very start that the police had added 2 and 2 together, and came up with 27! The longer this matter drags on, the more apparent this is becoming!

Like ive said before,the video of the race at nelson speaks for itself. You don't have to be an expert to see what is obvious. If there are Related conversations and financial transactions then it is gone burger. The length of time it takes to pass through the court system is irrelevant to guilt or innocence. 

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6 hours ago, what a post said:

Like ive said before,the video of the race at nelson speaks for itself. You don't have to be an expert to see what is obvious. If there are Related conversations and financial transactions then it is gone burger. The length of time it takes to pass through the court system is irrelevant to guilt or innocence. 

I’m trying to bite my tongue here but I have to say tha if you think that Nelson video incriminates anyone you’re nuts, it exonerates them FFS

You're a very gullible person WAP 

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P4P . Give it a rest, this has to go through the courts match fixing became a serious crime in 2014 , as you will be well aware, if the RIU believed that match fixing was happening, they were obligated to involve the police, once again you will be well aware of this, to demean them and the police at this stage does not help the people you are defending if anything it makes it worse, for them and the others. To post that government told the police to turn a blind eye to the use of cannabis apart from medicinal and party drugs is rubbish, they are illegal and until a law is passed through parliament to legalize them. I hope that other posters on this site have enough intelligence to understand the point I am trying to make.I also believe that trying to intimidate and abuse others on this site does yourself no favors. I hope you have a nice day. 

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4 hours ago, poundforpound said:

I’m trying to bite my tongue here but I have to say tha if you think that Nelson video incriminates anyone you’re nuts, it exonerates them FFS

You're a very gullible and arguably stupid person WAP 

Thanks,i will take that as a compliment. Its one of the nicest things you've said about me anyway. Keep up the good fight.

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4 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:

Guys and gals lets keep the debate robust but please play the subject not the man...cheers.

Just trying to give the debate some balance ... you seem to have an audience that doesn’t subscribe to being “innocent until proven guilty” here Scooby.

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I've heard similar from local people involved. The RIU are digging a big hole here and won't look good at the end of it.

If found innocent, and the charges proved to be largely frivolous and without merit, these guys should able to recover any costs incurred.

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1 hour ago, poundforpound said:

Just trying to give the debate some balance ... you seem to have an audience that doesn’t subscribe to being “innocent until proven guilty” here Scooby.

Yes mate but don't let it get personal like the other cesspit site...where one or two posters do as they please and ruin plenty of threads...I think this is a subject that needs discussion as it is sure seems there are two very different camps, someone at the end of the day is either going to be guilty... or a heap of people will have egg on their faces.

 

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21 hours ago, scooby3051 said:

Yes mate but don't let it get personal like the other cesspit site...where one or two posters do as they please and ruin plenty of threads...I think this is a subject that needs discussion as it is sure seems there are two very different camps, someone at the end of the day is either going to be guilty... or a heap of people will have egg on their faces.

 

Maybe you insist that those doing the discussing have some evidence then because I’ve seen a lot of it ( admittedly not all because I have no interests in at least 5 of those charged ) but from what I have seen this is the greatest witch hunt of our time, and it’s being fuelled by people on this site who claim to know something ( they usually don’t ).

Talk about bringing racing into disrepute !!

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1 hour ago, poundforpound said:

 from what I have seen this is the greatest witch hunt of our time, 

Unfortunately 2nd greatest at best P4P--there is a bigger one happening in "the land of the free"!

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47 minutes ago, chevy86 said:

Unfortunately 2nd greatest at best P4P--there is a bigger one happening in "the land of the free"!

What...you mean the one with the orange turd who is as crooked as they come and couldn't lie straight in bed....?? Justice is coming Chevy....although if you continue to watch Fox you won't know that, or believe it anyway probably....

And maybe next time the 20 million lazy "free" bastards who didn't get off their arses to vote, just might......:rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

What...you mean the one with the orange turd who is as crooked as they come and couldn't lie straight in bed....?? Justice is coming Chevy....although if you continue to watch Fox you won't know that, or believe it anyway probably....

And maybe next time the 20 million lazy "free" bastards who didn't get off their arses to vote, just might......:rolleyes:

Get over it O'man. I don't care who won, just as long as it was not that duplicitous bitch Clinton. Even with the votes of 30 million illegals she couldn't get home! Don't focus so much on the messenger, concentrate on the message which is the antithesis of UN socialism.

Trump has learnt well from previous Democrat scumbags such as "Aqua" Ted Kennedy and Slick Willie.

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16 minutes ago, chevy86 said:

Get over it O'man. I don't care who won, just as long as it was not that duplicitous bitch Clinton. Even with the votes of 30 million illegals she couldn't get home! Don't focus so much on the messenger, concentrate on the message which is the antithesis of UN socialism.

Trump has learnt well from previous Democrat scumbags such as "Aqua" Ted Kennedy and Slick Willie.

Jeez you talk some crap. Stop watching the redneck channel and get with the real world...not Trump's alternative reality FFS.....:rolleyes:

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13 hours ago, chevy86 said:

Funnily enough that's what my wife and kids say! But it's fun tuning them up.:rcfe-laughing:

Chevy he is one of the worst human beings ever to hold such an office is in it for nobody except himself and his brand...I would say he has about a million skeletons in the closet...but please keep talk of this horrible person to the main street cafe...dont bring it here.

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On 1/4/2019 at 11:16 AM, scooby3051 said:

Chevy he is one of the worst human beings ever to hold such an office is in it for nobody except himself and his brand...I would say he has about a million skeletons in the closet...but please keep talk of this horrible person to the main street cafe...dont bring it here.

When the world finds the level of Treasonous activity this POS has done, you will all be shocked at how many people go down. There are Hundreds of people from many different countries going down.

 

This "Kiwi" living over here is watching this slow moving train wreck. Many Americans hate Trump and are embarrassed by what is happening to this country.  He is fully owned by Russian Mob and it's not just Putin he fears but Putin's Boss.  Semion Mogilevich who runs the Russian Mob. This guy makes the italian Mafia look like a joke.  He is the real person in charge. Also the reason why Manafort got caught lying to Robert Mueller.  Trust me, they have Trump and his cohorts on Signals intel and he cooked.

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