Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 19, 2018 https://theinformant.co.nz/jca-committee-to-hear-exclusion-enquiry/ A special Judicial Control Authority (JCA) hearing will take place in Christchurch on Tuesday as two horsemen seek to return to the race track.The two were excluded by the Racing Integrity Unit after being charged with serious racing offences in early September.In a statement to The Informant this afternoon, the JCA confirmed the hearing was scheduled to take place.It is understood a former High Court Judge will preside over the hearing, where the Racing Integrity Unit is seeking rulings as to the validity of the exclusion notices.“Two of the persons the subject of an exclusion from driving at any totalisator meeting sought to have the exclusion reviewed,” said the JCA in a statement.“Subsequently the RIU sought rulings as to the validity of the exclusion notices.“The applications for rulings by the RIU have been set down for hearing before a Judicial Committee of the JCA.”The hearing, set down for one day, will take place at Addington Raceway on Tuesday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted October 20, 2018 Very interesting Kotare, lots of money being wasted on lawyers where HRNZ could show some leadership and rescind licenses until any match/race fixing court cases are adjudicated on. Just a suggestion. The drivers concerned employment status would be self employed contractor would they not Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 20, 2018 39 minutes ago, Fartoomuch said: where HRNZ could show some leadership and rescind licenses until any match/race fixing court cases are adjudicated on. Just a suggestion. I have no idea what HRNZ's view of this whole matter is. Does anyone actually know. I am assuming they are interested observers. Based on the presumption of guilt I think your suggestion flies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted October 20, 2018 This review must be applauded and hopefully it will result in a reinstatement for Blair Orange and John Dunn. It is still a mystery to me, however that the same requirements haven't been applied for Natalie Rassmussen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Stables said: It is still a mystery to me, however that the same requirements haven't been applied for Natalie Rassmussen Unstable.mp4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner 217 Report post Posted October 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Fartoomuch said: Very interesting Kotare, lots of money being wasted on lawyers where HRNZ could show some leadership and rescind licenses until any match/race fixing court cases are adjudicated on. Just a suggestion. The drivers concerned employment status would be self employed contractor would they not Maybe you are wrong Fartoomuch and RIU got it so wrong - you have big blinds on I would say . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, LongOwner said: Maybe you are wrong Fartoomuch and RIU got it so wrong - you have big blinds on I would say . And of course you are never wrong on this subject despite being run over in various debates. Your noblesse is fascinating. They are innocent until proven guilty in court but can create havoc until that occurs and who cares about the greater industry and their participants.Certainly not you and many others The game is amateur as it is bar a few stables and this is a chance to be seen to above reproach to current and future investors and punters. Your posts do the latter a great disservice IMHO. Thejanitor, Taku Umanga and Newmarket RC 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jape 344 Report post Posted October 20, 2018 21 hours ago, Stables said: This review must be applauded and hopefully it will result in a reinstatement for Blair Orange and John Dunn. It is still a mystery to me, however that the same requirements haven't been applied for Natalie Rassmussen It is because there are different charges involved. Iraklis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badger 96 Report post Posted October 21, 2018 Yes Jape she was charged with possession and supply of a B class drug not race fixing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, badger said: Yes Jape she was charged with possession and supply of a B class drug not race fixing "was" being the operative word For a time she was also prevented from going on course to ply her trade which seemed odd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted October 21, 2018 49 minutes ago, Kotare_Hunter said: "was" being the operative word For a time she was also prevented from going on course to ply her trade which seemed odd. So what are you saying. Your above post could lead to several different conclusions. Not sure whether you are deliberately trying to muddy the waters ,but that's the impression I get. One thing I think pretty obvious, if the person concerned had no charges pending then we would have read it on their website. If Joseph babich can have his convictions for actual serious charges quashed,then anyone with money can I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, what a post said: So what are you saying. Your above post could lead to several different conclusions. Not sure whether you are deliberately trying to muddy the waters ,but that's the impression I get. One thing I think pretty obvious, if the person concerned had no charges pending then we would have read it on their website. If Joseph babich can have his convictions for actual serious charges quashed,then anyone with money can I guess. No mud Kotare but respecting of supression orders means mis information cant always be corrected. PM'ed you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee270744 682 Report post Posted October 21, 2018 8 hours ago, badger said: Yes Jape she was charged with possession and supply of a B class drug not race fixing https://www.punters.com.au/news/seven-charged-in-race-fixing-probe_172088/ Was possession in the charge? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga 194 Report post Posted October 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Lee270744 said: https://www.punters.com.au/news/seven-charged-in-race-fixing-probe_172088/ Was possession in the charge? I think supply was the only charge first reported, but since they've suppressed all details who knows now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted October 21, 2018 The charge was possession for supply. The same charge as Matt Anderson and I note he has not been able to return to race driving Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,711 Report post Posted October 21, 2018 I thought Anderson was also charged on fixing - but I may be mistaken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 21, 2018 26 minutes ago, eljay said: I thought Anderson was also charged on fixing - but I may be mistaken unmistaken are you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga 194 Report post Posted October 21, 2018 52 minutes ago, Stables said: The charge was possession for supply. The same charge as Matt Anderson and I note he has not been able to return to race driving Not according to the tweet from Garrick Knight in the article in the link above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Taku Umanga said: Not according to the tweet from Garrick Knight in the article in the link above. Charges have since been tinkered with. Taku Umanga and Newmarket RC 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie 1,025 Report post Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/20/2018 at 2:41 PM, Stables said: This review must be applauded and hopefully it will result in a reinstatement for Blair Orange and John Dunn. It is still a mystery to me, however that the same requirements haven't been applied for Natalie Rassmussen What you mean.One lot racefixing charges,Nats only drug charges.Totally different and not sure what you getting at there. 3 hours ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Charges have since been tinkered with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie 1,025 Report post Posted October 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Stables said: The charge was possession for supply. The same charge as Matt Anderson and I note he has not been able to return to race driving wrong Anderson also distribution I beleive Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 23, 2018 Reserved decision re the 2 excluded drivers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket RC 209 Report post Posted October 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Reserved decision re the 2 excluded drivers. There,s a surprise.I wonder who acted for prosecution as opposed to the two drivers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga 194 Report post Posted October 23, 2018 https://www.hrnz.co.nz/news-and-events/latest-news/7502-update-on-raceday-exclusions Update on Raceday Exclusions 24 October 2018 By Michael Guerin Two of New Zealand harness racing’s biggest names could know by the end of the week whether than can resume driving on raceday. The Judicial Control Authority heard submissions from two horsepeople as well as representatives of the Racing Integrity Unit in Christchurch yesterday about the exclusion notices served on the pair. The exclusion notices were issued after a number of Canterbury properties were raided and arrests made in September but the names of those charged and the exact nature of the charges are subject to suppression by court order. The horsepeople involved have been allowed to train and drive at workouts and trials but not raceday and they, listed as Mr X and Mr Y at yesterday’s hearing, are seeking to have those exclusions lifted so they have return to driving at race meetings. The JCA reserved their decision but it is expected that decision could be released before the end of the week or next week at the latest as one of the most important times in harness racing, New Zealand Cup, looms. While only two of the horsepeople facing charges argued against their exclusion notices yesterday if the JCA rules in their favour and they return to race driving it is expected the exclusion notices for all those charged will be lifted until their charges are heard, more than likely not until next year. A court date has been set for later next month to determine whether the suppression of names and the exact charges remain. Patiti 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 26, 2018 Welcome back Driver X and Driver Y its been way way too long. LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...