Pegasus 9 511 Report post Posted October 15, 2018 Yucatan appears to be scratched from CC ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted October 15, 2018 In what can only be described as farcical circumstances Saturday’s Caulfield Cup favourite Yucatan will not be a starter in the race even though there had been no official announcement late on Monday night. Early on Monday it was announced by major owners Team Williams that Yucatan would be running with Michael Walker as the jockey and as a consequence the brilliant winner of last Saturday’s Herbert Power Stakes firmed to become outright favourite for the Cup. Later in the morning Racing Victoria chief handicapper Greg Carpenter made his decision to allot the Aidan O'Brien-trained galloper a 2.5kg penalty for the Melbourne Cup, a race in which the five-year-old is now an $8.50 favourite. With the announcement of a jockey confirmed and Yucatan running in the Caulfield Cup, by afternoon the had firmed the stallion into $4.50 favourite in all-in betting, with the corporates all betting a similar price. Youngstar was second favourite at $5.50 with King’s Will Dream at $6.50 and Homesman, also majorly owned by Team Williams a $15 chance. Some dramatic movement on the Betfair exchange caused alarm bells to ring when Yucatan started to quickly ease quickly from a trading price of $5.50 around midday to be trading at $75 early in the evening then later he was a $1000 chance. Homesman had initially been traded at $72 in early Caulfield Cup markets and on Monday as much as $30 was available yet he’s now trading at a peak of $15 while into $11 with the TAB. As for Michael Walker it’s a case of what might have been as he’s now left without a ride while the punters who dived into the all-in markets on Monday now don’t even have a runner and have done their money cold. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket RC 209 Report post Posted October 15, 2018 Team Williams = F the Punters in this instance RVL will do nothing as usual, the horse was highly unlikely to ever run and risk getting a further penalty IMHO They are only interested in MC as history has shown Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted October 15, 2018 How can anybody accuse Team Williams of f%#£ing the punters? Only moments after Yucatan had won on Sat, Nick Williams was interviewed and on national television, quite clearly said that “No decision would be made on a CC run until they saw what penalty the horse was given in the Melb Cup for today’s win. After that, we will discuss with Trainer Aiden O’Brien.”. From that, even a dumb mug punter could see it was not going to go to the CC “unless” there was a need to get a further penalty to get it up the MC order of entry. The horse was 100/1 for the CC before it’s Herbet Power won, so anyone who backed in the CC “since it’s Herbert Power win”, well frankly shouldn’t be betting! The Williams are always very open about the running of their horses, as they have quite clearly been with Yucatan, so I’m not sure what Newmarket is on about here. Pegasus 9 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted October 15, 2018 Michael Walker will probably ride one of Waller’s. Either Finche or Count Octove - if either get a run. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus 9 511 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 J Mac to ride Yucatan in MC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 6 hours ago, Trump said: How can anybody accuse Team Williams of f%#£ing the punters? Only moments after Yucatan had won on Sat, Nick Williams was interviewed and on national television, quite clearly said that “No decision would be made on a CC run until they saw what penalty the horse was given in the Melb Cup for today’s win. After that, we will discuss with Trainer Aiden O’Brien.”. From that, even a dumb mug punter could see it was not going to go to the CC “unless” there was a need to get a further penalty to get it up the MC order of entry. The horse was 100/1 for the CC before it’s Herbet Power won, so anyone who backed in the CC “since it’s Herbert Power win”, well frankly shouldn’t be betting! The Williams are always very open about the running of their horses, as they have quite clearly been with Yucatan, so I’m not sure what Newmarket is on about here. Read the above post from Racenet which Scoobie posted. Team Williams on Monday say it's running in CC and M Walker to ride. In all in market it's firmed but gets pulled from market that afternoon. Punters were on the end of a rogering. Bookies clean up If you think that's ok your right up there IMHO Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Fartoomuch said: Read the above post from Racenet which Scoobie posted. Team Williams on Monday say it's running in CC and M Walker to ride. In all in market it's firmed but gets pulled from market that afternoon. Punters were on the end of a rogering. Bookies clean up If you think that's ok your right up there IMHO I agree Fartoomuch , I'd be bit pissed off. Nick Williams pleaded for a decent penalty , then as you detail above got jockey so must have been reasonably happy and Coolmore travelling man in Australia TJ Comerford must have given a bit of a heads up all go and he's a top operator . Then kaboom have 2.5kgs later in day, Team Williams got what they wanted re penalty plus a dollop on top , I'd say it was crikey it wins CC and it was a chance it could have brained them Saturday in that form it's looking at another 2 kgs and it's a big ask then in big one , it's pushing the real good uns in weight. I think then the row for shore came along . He has 3 decent chances anyway, COM looked good Saturday , Taj Mahal in form. I think they are straight up about the joints slightly sore as vets have scaned it so they not gonna bullshit on that but maybe then decided right we will defo err on safe side and also miss big penalty. Maybe might have been ready in few days but be real cautious and pull it out. But iam a long long way from a vet. It's the roll of the dice tho ante post I suppose , Willie Mullins burnt a few people at Cheltenham other year, one was going Gold Cup, Vautour I think it was , lumps go on and next day nope it's going Champion Chase.Cheesed off an awful lot people off only few days out from race. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 57 minutes ago, Red Rum said: I agree Fartoomuch , I'd be bit pissed off. Nick Williams pleaded for a decent penalty , then as you detail above got jockey so must have been reasonably happy and Coolmore travelling man in Australia TJ Comerford must have given a bit of a heads up all go and he's a top operator . Then kaboom have 2.5kgs later in day, Team Williams got what they wanted re penalty plus a dollop on top , I'd say it was crikey it wins CC and it was a chance it could have brained them Saturday in that form it's looking at another 2 kgs and it's a big ask then in big one , it's pushing the real good uns in weight. I think then the row for shore came along . He has 3 decent chances anyway, COM looked good Saturday , Taj Mahal in form. I think they are straight up about the joints slightly sore as vets have scaned it so they not gonna bullshit on that but maybe then decided right we will defo err on safe side and also miss big penalty. Maybe might have been ready in few days but be real cautious and pull it out. But iam a long long way from a vet. It's the roll of the dice tho ante post I suppose , Willie Mullins burnt a few people at Cheltenham other year, one was going Gold Cup, Vautour I think it was , lumps go on and next day nope it's going Champion Chase.Cheesed off an awful lot people off only few days out from race. Im picking they have something else in mind for CC and might even do another Green Moon, use Cox plate as a conditioner for MC. What do you think Red Rum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 The latest from the big swinging dick himself-Lloyd "In the wake of the Yucatan fiasco, leviathan owner Lloyd Williams has labelled punters who bet all-in into the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups as “stupid”. Early on Monday it was announced that Yucatan would be running in the Caulfield Cup with Michael Walker booked to ride the horse and as a consequence the brilliant winner of last Saturday’s Herbert Power Stakes firmed to become outright favourite. Bookies firmed the Aidan O'Brien galloper into $4.50 favourite in all-in betting, but it was revealed on Monday night Yucatan would not be a starter despite there being no official announcement. This is the message that the wealthy Williams, the six-time Melbourne Cup winning owner, had on Tuesday for punters who had done their money backing Yucatan all-in. “I feel sorry for them, I hope they get their money back. But if they were betting all-in they were probably stupid in Cups,” Williams said on RSN. “I don’t encourage anyone to be betting at those all-in prices in those Cups. “There is so many changes in a Melbourne Cup or a Caulfield Cup over a period of time. “Betting on the futures … on these bookmaker sites… if they (punters) were seeking my advice I would be telling them not to take the futures, wait until they see the horse accept and the jockey is on him.” Later on Tuesday, James McDonald was confirmed as Yucatan's rider in the Melbourne Cup where he is the $8.50 favourite with Ladbrokes. Walker was doing his best to be diplomatic when asked about Williams’ change of heart for the Caulfield Cup, saying he would have to cop it sweet and watch from the grandstands while the Caulfield Cup is run on Saturday. Yucatan’s withdrawal from the Caulfield Cup came only hours after he was handed a 2.5kg penalty for the Melbourne Cup for his stunning victory in the Herbert Power Stakes. Originally 55th in the Melbourne Cup order of entry with 52kg, Yucatan climbed to No. 24 after Racing Victoria’s Greg Carpenter’s deemed the Irish star’s Herbert Power Stakes romp deserved a significant adjustment. However, Williams claimed that had little bearing on his decision to take the galloper out of the Caulfield Cup. “Not really no, we expected he was going to get 2 or 2.5 kg penalty anyway so that didn’t surprise us,” Williams said. Williams claimed the reason for Yucatan not running in the Caulfield Cup was he hadn’t come through Saturday’s victory as the stable would have liked to back-up again seven days later. “He hadn’t quite recovered from the race and had a little bit of fluid in his joints and it was thought running again within seven days was probably a bit too difficult for him,” Williams said. “We thought we had better wait and go forward to the Melbourne Cup.” I wonder if, in the course and pursuit of consistency that RVL vets are checking the horse for its recovery from the issues above. They do it on any whisper about other horses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 37 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Im picking they have something else in mind for CC and might even do another Green Moon, use Cox plate as a conditioner for MC. What do you think Red Rum Did read something like that , Cox Plate be interesting , also MV Cup was the other one . However they would be in penalty mode again, run in MV Cup be short odds fav , win it's penalty for 250k or around that, back of sofa stuff for TW so why do it, run something like the Belgravia or Venice Beach type horses he has.Run in Cox Plate , keeps it ticking over, places with his breeding it's worth shed loads more as it is still entire,by best sire in world out of top race mare from a Niarchos family , crazy I know but not mind boggling crazy it snags a win and value goes through roof. Winx blocked he shoots clear again on bend, 200 odd metres to catch it when it ain't stopping , it's not madness but unlikely.Don't think Aidan O'Brien too worried straight into cup, he mostly runs his gun 2 yo into Newmarket Guineas first up for season but I suppose he hasn't got the expanse of Ballydoyle to use with Yucatan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,762 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 Looks like Trumpys tip has gone west.... 2018 Caulfield Cup field The Caulfield Cup. Photo: Darryl Sherer. Article Author Racenet 16 October 2018 7 Comments The field has been declared for the 141st edition of the $5 million Group I Caulfield Cup (2400m) to be run at Caulfield on Saturday. A field of 18 plus two emergencies has been announced for one of Australia’s most prized handicaps. The field consists of 14 Australasian-trained horse and six northern hemisphere raiders. Only six of the acceptors were bred in Australia or New Zealand while the other 14 starters all originate from Japan, Europe or the US. Caulfield Stakes-winning combination of trainer Saeed Bin Suroor and jockey Pat Cosgrave team up again on Saturday with the topweight Best Solution while the world’s best jockey Hugh Bowman will chase his first Caulfield Cup win aboard the Aidan O'Brien-trained The Cliffsofmoher. Australasia’s highest weighted horse is the Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman-trained 2017 Australian Derby winner Jon Snow. The favourite Youngstar will carry saddlecloth number 18 when she attempts to give trainer Chris Waller his first Caulfield Cup win while the Darren Weir trained Gallic Chieftain was the last horse to make the field of 18, leaving the Waller-trained The Metropolitan winner Patrick Erin as the first emergency. Last year’s Caulfield Cup-winning jockey Cory Parish is booked for the second emergency, the Hayes/Dabernig-trained Jaameh. The barrier draw for the Caulfield Cup will be conducted on Wednesday at 11am. 1. Best Solution IRL Career: 21:8-2-3 L10: 1x3195x111 T: S Bin Suroor J: P Cosgrave $15 BET NOW 2. The Cliffsofmoher IRL Career: 16:3-2-2 L10: 8x512433x4 T: A O'Brien J: H Bowman $7.00 BET NOW 3. Chestnut Coat JPN Career: 17:4-5-1 L10: 15x211250x T: Y Yahagi J: Y Kawada $16 BET NOW 4. Jon Snow NZL Career: 20:4-1-6 L10: x68139x437 T: M Baker & A Forsman J: D Lane $35 BET NOW 5. Sound Check DEU Career: 16:7-2-1 L10: 2144x1132x T: M Moroney J: J Childs $21 BET NOW 6. Ace High AUS Career: 21:5-3-0 L10: 55462x0241 T: D Payne J: D Oliver $13 BET NOW 7. The Taj Mahal IRL Career: 23:3-4-3 L10: 5041x8x791 T: L Howley J: J McDonald $15 BET NOW 8. Duretto GBR Career: 21:6-4-3 L10: x3x15x5331 T: A Balding J: D Dunn $23 BET NOW 9. Red Verdon USA Career: 24:5-9-1 L10: 21x1422225 T: E Dunlop J: Z Purton $21 BET NOW 10. Vengeur Masque IRL Career: 25:4-5-0 L10: 121x05x405 T: M Moroney J: P Moloney $101 BET NOW 11. Ventura Storm IRL Career: 27:6-3-2 L10: 437829x794 T: D & B Hayes & T Dabernig J: R Bayliss $35 BET NOW 12. Mighty Boss AUS Career: 13:2-1-0 L10: 1x780x0069 T: M Price J: T Clark $91 BET NOW 13. Homesman USA Career: 12:4-3-1 L10: 153x16x217 T: L Howley J: B Melham $13 BET NOW 14. Kings Will Dream IRL Career: 12:6-1-4 L10: 11111x4323 T: D Weir J: C Williams $6.00 BET NOW 15. Sole Impact JPN Career: 37:4-5-12 L10: 732x03705x T: H Toda J: R Sakai $61 BET NOW 16. Gallic Chieftain FRA Career: 34:8-6-5 L10: 431105x024 T: D Weir J: D Yendall $61 BET NOW 17. Night's Watch NZL Career: 18:8-2-2 L10: 2141x21316 T: D Weir J: B Allen $12 BET NOW 18. Youngstar AUS Career: 11:4-1-3 L10: 311113x632 T: C Waller J: K McEvoy $6.00 BET NOW 19e. Patrick Erin NZL Career: 27:11-3-5 L10: 114656x641 T: C Waller J: C Brown $61 BET NOW 20e. Jaameh IRL Career: 22:6-3-4 L10: 33x1x61812 T: D & B Hayes & T Dabernig J: C Parish $46 BET NOW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 35 minutes ago, Fartoomuch said: The latest from the big swinging dick himself-Lloyd "In the wake of the Yucatan fiasco, leviathan owner Lloyd Williams has labelled punters who bet all-in into the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups as “stupid”. Early on Monday it was announced that Yucatan would be running in the Caulfield Cup with Michael Walker booked to ride the horse and as a consequence the brilliant winner of last Saturday’s Herbert Power Stakes firmed to become outright favourite. Bookies firmed the Aidan O'Brien galloper into $4.50 favourite in all-in betting, but it was revealed on Monday night Yucatan would not be a starter despite there being no official announcement. This is the message that the wealthy Williams, the six-time Melbourne Cup winning owner, had on Tuesday for punters who had done their money backing Yucatan all-in. “I feel sorry for them, I hope they get their money back. But if they were betting all-in they were probably stupid in Cups,” Williams said on RSN. “I don’t encourage anyone to be betting at those all-in prices in those Cups. “There is so many changes in a Melbourne Cup or a Caulfield Cup over a period of time. “Betting on the futures … on these bookmaker sites… if they (punters) were seeking my advice I would be telling them not to take the futures, wait until they see the horse accept and the jockey is on him.” Later on Tuesday, James McDonald was confirmed as Yucatan's rider in the Melbourne Cup where he is the $8.50 favourite with Ladbrokes. Walker was doing his best to be diplomatic when asked about Williams’ change of heart for the Caulfield Cup, saying he would have to cop it sweet and watch from the grandstands while the Caulfield Cup is run on Saturday. Yucatan’s withdrawal from the Caulfield Cup came only hours after he was handed a 2.5kg penalty for the Melbourne Cup for his stunning victory in the Herbert Power Stakes. Originally 55th in the Melbourne Cup order of entry with 52kg, Yucatan climbed to No. 24 after Racing Victoria’s Greg Carpenter’s deemed the Irish star’s Herbert Power Stakes romp deserved a significant adjustment. However, Williams claimed that had little bearing on his decision to take the galloper out of the Caulfield Cup. “Not really no, we expected he was going to get 2 or 2.5 kg penalty anyway so that didn’t surprise us,” Williams said. Williams claimed the reason for Yucatan not running in the Caulfield Cup was he hadn’t come through Saturday’s victory as the stable would have liked to back-up again seven days later. “He hadn’t quite recovered from the race and had a little bit of fluid in his joints and it was thought running again within seven days was probably a bit too difficult for him,” Williams said. “We thought we had better wait and go forward to the Melbourne Cup.” I wonder if, in the course and pursuit of consistency that RVL vets are checking the horse for its recovery from the issues above. They do it on any whisper about other horses. Great first line FTM, Stupid ante post punters, isn't that the big thing with big handicaps . You name them NZ, Australia, Ireland ,UK, lot of punters trying to pick the value and taking a chance, finding the handicap snip. He must have had half plan to run , he booked a jock. I'd be thinking oh he must be all go , still risking next few days but jocks on iam feeling ok. Maybe the fluid was worst than they thought but no way ante post punters stupid. Be silly to back likes Cross Counter, Emotionless at moment as they under a cloud but I can see why there was a plunge on him after Walker got on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 44 minutes ago, Red Rum said: Great first line FTM, Stupid ante post punters, isn't that the big thing with big handicaps . You name them NZ, Australia, Ireland ,UK, lot of punters trying to pick the value and taking a chance, finding the handicap snip. He must have had half plan to run , he booked a jock. I'd be thinking oh he must be all go , still risking next few days but jocks on iam feeling ok. Maybe the fluid was worst than they thought but no way ante post punters stupid. Be silly to back likes Cross Counter, Emotionless at moment as they under a cloud but I can see why there was a plunge on him after Walker got on. I hope they got their money back says Lloyd. This after his earlier statements and betting knowledge . Please he must really think others are stupid with that sort of nonsense Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fartoomuch said: I hope they got their money back says Lloyd. This after his earlier statements and betting knowledge . Please he must really think others are stupid with that sort of nonsense No one's getting money back FTM , never ever not happening . He's in gambling business with Crown is he not , if I get a heart when I need a club at his casino he ain't paying his punters anything. Wished it was running , was bloody exciting Saturday , I was gobsmacked with performance to be honest , watched COM again tho , that went so well Saturday like OM pointed out earlier .Red Verdon my each way pick, bit tight 21s but I'd live with it, Ed Dunlop travels them well like his late father. Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 Finche to Geelong Cup then MC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 Patrick Erin wins Grp 1 at previous start yet cant get a run in CC, oh how things have changed Belinda 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,762 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 23 hours ago, Trump said: Michael Walker will probably ride one of Waller’s. Either Finche or Count Octove - if either get a run. Neither running Trumpy. Count Octave injured and will miss the MC too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 Yes I see that. Finche to the Geelong Cup. The CC looks wide open. It’s going to be a nice race for punters who like exotics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,762 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 12 hours ago, Red Rum said: No one's getting money back FTM , never ever not happening . He's in gambling business with Crown is he not , if I get a heart when I need a club at his casino he ain't paying his punters anything. Wished it was running , was bloody exciting Saturday , I was gobsmacked with performance to be honest , watched COM again tho , that went so well Saturday like OM pointed out earlier .Red Verdon my each way pick, bit tight 21s but I'd live with it, Ed Dunlop travels them well like his late father. Stable says he will "improve with the run"....hasn't run since that placing behind Stradivarius. The top two look good chances but let's see what happens with the barrier draw later today..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, Trump said: Yes I see that. Finche to the Geelong Cup. The CC looks wide open. It’s going to be a nice race for punters who like exotics. Withold looks to be heading Geelong, they don't want to I read , he's very lightly raced and races rarely but owner Tony Bloom big poker player , big gambler , so has decided to twist rather than stick as they say in London . Touch and go on a run without penalty in MC.He went up with those couple coming out but bumped down with Yucatan , then Lexus winner will likely bump him. Geelong Cup going to be cracking race.Bloom owns Brighton and Hove Albion , or big chunk of it so not short of few bob. Prince of Aaron made Northumberland Plate form look pretty good. The Queen Elizabeth on last day will be a top race with those eliminated getting a bonus if they win it I seem to recall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalano 951 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 I've gone Ace High (CC) into Marmelo (MC) - only for a small amount. Ace High drawn 8, Oliver rides, in form, loves the 2400m. Marmelo, 2nd in the Prix Kergolay (3000m) last start and in winning form prior. He was favourite for the Cup last year and went too hard too early, after a good Caulfield Cup run. This year, they're missing the CC, and retaining Soumillon as jockey and the trainer reports that he's a lot stronger as a 5yo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,762 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 Barrier) Jockey FF-Win FF-Plc FD All Runners 1 5X111 Best Solution (17) 57.5 Pat Cosgrave 17.00 5.00 2 433X4 The Cliffsofmoher (3) 56.5 Hugh Bowman 7.00 2.50 3 1250X Chestnut Coat (13) 55.5 Y Kawada 17.00 5.00 4 9X437 Jon Snow (15) 55.5 Damian Lane 35.00 8.50 5 X1132 Sound Check (16) 55.5 Jordan Childs 21.00 5.75 6 X0241 Ace High (8) 55 Damien Oliver 11.00 3.50 7 8X791 The Taj Mahal (19) 55 James McDonald 17.00 5.00 8 X5331 Duretto (1) 54.5 Dwayne Dunn 21.00 5.75 9 22225 Red Verdon (9) 54 Zac Purton 21.00 5.75 10 5X405 Vengeur Masque (7) 54 Patrick Moloney 91.00 23.00 11 9X794 Ventura Storm (11) 54 Regan Bayliss 35.00 8.50 12 X0069 Mighty Boss (14) 53.5 Tim Clark 101.00 26.00 13 6X217 Homesman (4) 53 Ben Melham 12.00 3.80 14 X4323 Kings Will Dream (6) 53 Craig Williams 5.00 2.00 15 3705X Sole Impact (20) 53 Ryusei Sakai 51.00 12.00 16 5X024 Gallic Chieftain (2) 52.5 Dean Yendall 51.00 12.00 17 21316 Night's Watch (18) 52 Ben Allen 13.00 4.00 18 13632 Youngstar (10) 51.5 Kerrin McEvoy 5.50 2.15 19 6X641 Patrick Erin (12) 52 Corey Brown 41.00 9.00 20 61812 Jaameh (5) 50 Cory Parish 31.00 7.50 Red Verdon blinkers first time RR....?! On his form, topweight looks great value. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Ohokaman said: Barrier) Jockey FF-Win FF-Plc FD All Runners 1 5X111 Best Solution (17) 57.5 Pat Cosgrave 17.00 5.00 2 433X4 The Cliffsofmoher (3) 56.5 Hugh Bowman 7.00 2.50 3 1250X Chestnut Coat (13) 55.5 Y Kawada 17.00 5.00 4 9X437 Jon Snow (15) 55.5 Damian Lane 35.00 8.50 5 X1132 Sound Check (16) 55.5 Jordan Childs 21.00 5.75 6 X0241 Ace High (8) 55 Damien Oliver 11.00 3.50 7 8X791 The Taj Mahal (19) 55 James McDonald 17.00 5.00 8 X5331 Duretto (1) 54.5 Dwayne Dunn 21.00 5.75 9 22225 Red Verdon (9) 54 Zac Purton 21.00 5.75 10 5X405 Vengeur Masque (7) 54 Patrick Moloney 91.00 23.00 11 9X794 Ventura Storm (11) 54 Regan Bayliss 35.00 8.50 12 X0069 Mighty Boss (14) 53.5 Tim Clark 101.00 26.00 13 6X217 Homesman (4) 53 Ben Melham 12.00 3.80 14 X4323 Kings Will Dream (6) 53 Craig Williams 5.00 2.00 15 3705X Sole Impact (20) 53 Ryusei Sakai 51.00 12.00 16 5X024 Gallic Chieftain (2) 52.5 Dean Yendall 51.00 12.00 17 21316 Night's Watch (18) 52 Ben Allen 13.00 4.00 18 13632 Youngstar (10) 51.5 Kerrin McEvoy 5.50 2.15 19 6X641 Patrick Erin (12) 52 Corey Brown 41.00 9.00 20 61812 Jaameh (5) 50 Cory Parish 31.00 7.50 Red Verdon blinkers first time RR....?! On his form, topweight looks great value. RV regular in blinkers over the last few years OM , and ran a cracker in them in Hardwicke behind Crystal Ocean who would be carrying few kilos more than Best Solution if he was in Saturday, was just denied clear space at vital time, wore them again next time at Goodwood behind Mirage Dancer.3rd behind him in Hardwicke was COM at levels, RV gets 2.5kgs from him Saturday. COM was on a three day back up that day though and was strong to line. I think iam going to go each way value Ventura Storm and Red Verdon. Difference in price RV to COM on Hardwicke form and VS to Youngster on Turnball form just seems to me to make them the value for an each way punt in open contest. Best Solution iam not liking him but not sure why. Will make some money for Saturday tomorrow on Mask of Time in Moe Cup , it's a matter of when with that horse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,762 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 BS beat Muntahaa a few starts back..surely that puts him right in this ? Weight the only problem perhaps compared to others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...