scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 Springtime and we lose two meetings in two days... what a joke NZ Racing really is... a farce... and you know what nobody will be held accountable as always...a joke. Phantom 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 I believe there were a few abandoned in Australia yesterday although I don't know the reason why. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 Just now, rdytdy said: I believe there were a few abandoned in Australia yesterday although I don't know the reason why. No Hawkebury today either after all the rain NSW got, shame Randwick was held yesterday given my P and L yesterday Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
firepipe 70 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 Extreme weather for aus. Nothing out of ordinary Nz. Pathetic, incompetent, and the end must be closer than ever ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADM 225 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 So happy we scratched this morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Thistle 133 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 The RIU seems to have settled on "inconsistent surfaces" as their go to description when abandonments take place. Integrity might be served by the RIU holding inquiries as to culpability when clubs present inconsistent surfaces (unless there have been intervening downpours or other obvious causes beyond a club's control). These could commence on raceday and resume at a later date (for Waipa, at Taupo on Wednesday) with full records of penetrometer readings, watering, rainfall, etc presented. My guess is that clubs find themselves obliged to pay too much attention to having yeilding surfaces in the interest of getting more racing from horses which are "day to day propositions" with poor feet or joints. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates 3,455 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 I would like someone from NZTR to tell me how constructing 3 x 10 million all weather tracks is going to stop these type of abandonments , neither of these appear to be weather related , therefor i assume management related , i stand to be corrected if someone more informed than me wants to put me straight . Gobsmacked that after all the bad press over last 18 mths this SHITE is still happening . Gone from 5 horses to 2 in last 18 mths . Said i spend my money in Aussie after these 2 if things didn't improve and events like this weekend aren't making the decision a tough one . Pam Robson and We're Doomed 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 I believe Murtoa yesterday was a similar situation to NZ abandonments. NSW was just wet tracks. People who think synthetic tracks will make any significant difference are quite deluded. It just means that rather than a bunch of wet track specialists racing around midwinter at places like Matamata we will have a bunch of synthethic track specialists racing around at Cambridge or wherever; we aren't suddenly going to see the likes of Savy Coup racing around midwinter. napier 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pole 53 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Scotch Thistle said: The RIU seems to have settled on "inconsistent surfaces" as their go to description when abandonments take place. Integrity might be served by the RIU holding inquiries as to culpability when clubs present inconsistent surfaces (unless there have been intervening downpours or other obvious causes beyond a club's control). These could commence on raceday and resume at a later date (for Waipa, at Taupo on Wednesday) with full records of penetrometer readings, watering, rainfall, etc presented. My guess is that clubs find themselves obliged to pay too much attention to having yeilding surfaces in the interest of getting more racing from horses which are "day to day propositions" with poor feet or joints. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pole 53 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 I have just finished work and not up with the play regarding T.A. Can anybody help out on this matter? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
napier 339 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 Get rid of the penetrometer gadget for a start......it has been a problem since day one and the cause of most abandonments. As i have said on many occasions let the course managers present a track suitable to the local conditions/weather instead of being dictated by some over paid academic with no practicable experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 napier bang on as usual. Course managers should ignore the dictates of the ignorant boffins. Instead they should talk to local farmers, bowling club curators and golf club green keepers who are experts at pasture management and growing grass. Of course this will not happen and so expect more abandonments. Black Kirrama and Nearco 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,683 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 Just CUT the grass so horses can get purchase on the soil, especially when there is some moisture?They talk about "cushion" and "plenty of grass cover" but thick swards of moist grass are very slippery. ADM 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,062 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, We're Doomed said: I believe Murtoa yesterday was a similar situation to NZ abandonments. NSW was just wet tracks. People who think synthetic tracks will make any significant difference are quite deluded. It just means that rather than a bunch of wet track specialists racing around midwinter at places like Matamata we will have a bunch of synthethic track specialists racing around at Cambridge or wherever; we aren't suddenly going to see the likes of Savy Coup racing around midwinter. Not quite with Murtoa , it was due to Rabbits. Holes in the track and a runner injured itself in one after race 2. We're Doomed 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, barryb said: Not quite with Murtoa , it was due to Rabbits. Holes in the track and a runner injured itself in one after race 2. Bloody Kiwi rabbits, over here looking for jobs. Fartoomuch, Black Kirrama and Pam Robson 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
notanat 3 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 Bang on for the last 4 posts,when you run in the wet is it easier on long grass or short,trouble is the "boffins" (uni graduates) are brain washed into thinking they cannot be wrong (I know I have worked with them,).How many meetings have now been abandoned after 1 or 2 races,it never happened pre 2000 so why now???.How many people have traveled to those meetings & vow never to go racing again.We have to have all weather tracks or racing is dead or how about dirt tracks like the USA & pull all that grass up LOL. scooby3051 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,062 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 7 hours ago, La Zip said: Bloody Kiwi rabbits, over here looking for jobs. Certainly would’nt have been Australian Rabbits, They will be watching on waiting to claim them once they are famous. Pam Robson, La Zip and Fartoomuch 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 9 hours ago, notanat said: Bang on for the last 4 posts,when you run in the wet is it easier on long grass or short,trouble is the "boffins" (uni graduates) are brain washed into thinking they cannot be wrong (I know I have worked with them,).How many meetings have now been abandoned after 1 or 2 races,it never happened pre 2000 so why now???.How many people have traveled to those meetings & vow never to go racing again.We have to have all weather tracks or racing is dead or how about dirt tracks like the USA & pull all that grass up LOL. Pre 2000 clubs did not have OSH and H and S type responsibilities. If the RIU and/or club decided to carry on with a meeting after jockeys claimed the track had an issue should something happen thereafter all hell would break loose legally, It might be over the top PC stuff for the old timers but its the law of the land today GOM and Pam Robson 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 10 hours ago, notanat said: Bang on for the last 4 posts,when you run in the wet is it easier on long grass or short,trouble is the "boffins" (uni graduates) are brain washed into thinking they cannot be wrong (I know I have worked with them,).How many meetings have now been abandoned after 1 or 2 races,it never happened pre 2000 so why now???.How many people have traveled to those meetings & vow never to go racing again.We have to have all weather tracks or racing is dead or how about dirt tracks like the USA & pull all that grass up LOL. Short sighted. All weather isn't the answer unless you want all weather racing surfaces which generally is boring racing. The grass is not the cushion, although our idiot commentators would have you think differently. It's the humous and roots in the soil profile that are both the cushioning element and the anchor for the 5 tonne of horse purchase that is required. When they get off the chemical fertilisers, get the right grasses for stability and endurance and stop the incessant watering, we'll start to see an improvement of track conditions dock leaf, Pam Robson, Midget and 4 others 4 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtab 95 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 Totally agree with you Berry,and it is time owners started billing for this inconvinance Dwyn 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race 6 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 surely here is (part of) the problem. An awareness of the probability affecting Saturday races, but good enough for every other day of the week? http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/sport/8699635/Te-Awamutu-club-loses-Saturday-meetings From 5 years ago, but a club on a constrained and reducing budget trying to maintain race condition standards for a few race days each year. Midget 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis 43 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 16 hours ago, pole said: yeah i think you hit a good point Scotch Thistle. The tracks are fluffed around with trying to get them perfect for everybody they are making it worse. Nature isn't playing this bullshit game. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 Come to the dark side harness racing.horses can race every week of the year same track.cheaper training fees money at Auckland will be outstanding.better facilities.initial outlay not a hard choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseacol 2,488 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, tim vince said: Come to the dark side harness racing.horses can race every week of the year same track.cheaper training fees money at Auckland will be outstanding.better facilities.initial outlay not a hard choice. Haha good stuff Tim - I think I know whats coming though Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 5 hours ago, tim vince said: Come to the dark side harness racing.horses can race every week of the year same track.cheaper training fees money at Auckland will be outstanding.better facilities.initial outlay not a hard choice. Problem is all the tips are gonna dry up now the thieves on wheels have been sprung. chevy86 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...