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The RIU seems to have settled on "inconsistent surfaces" as their go to description when abandonments take place.

Integrity might be served by the RIU holding inquiries as to culpability when clubs present inconsistent surfaces (unless there have been intervening downpours or other obvious causes beyond a club's control).  These could commence on raceday and resume at a later date (for Waipa, at Taupo on Wednesday) with full records of penetrometer readings, watering, rainfall, etc presented.

My guess is that clubs find themselves obliged to pay too much attention to having yeilding surfaces in the interest of getting more racing from horses which are "day to day propositions" with poor feet or joints. 

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I would like someone from NZTR to tell me how constructing 3 x 10 million all weather tracks is going to stop these type of abandonments , neither of these appear to be weather related , therefor i assume management related , i stand to be corrected if someone  more informed than me wants to put me straight . Gobsmacked that after all the bad press over last 18 mths this SHITE is still happening . Gone from 5 horses to 2 in last 18 mths . Said i spend my money in Aussie after these 2 if things didn't improve and events like this weekend aren't making the decision a tough one .

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I believe Murtoa yesterday was a similar situation to NZ abandonments.  NSW was just wet tracks. People who think synthetic tracks will make any significant difference are quite deluded. It just means that rather than a bunch of wet track specialists racing around midwinter at places like Matamata we will have a bunch of synthethic track specialists racing around at Cambridge or wherever; we aren't suddenly going to see  the likes of Savy Coup  racing around midwinter.

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1 hour ago, Scotch Thistle said:

The RIU seems to have settled on "inconsistent surfaces" as their go to description when abandonments take place.

Integrity might be served by the RIU holding inquiries as to culpability when clubs present inconsistent surfaces (unless there have been intervening downpours or other obvious causes beyond a club's control).  These could commence on raceday and resume at a later date (for Waipa, at Taupo on Wednesday) with full records of penetrometer readings, watering, rainfall, etc presented.

My guess is that clubs find themselves obliged to pay too much attention to having yeilding surfaces in the interest of getting more racing from horses which are "day to day propositions" with poor feet or joints. 

 

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Get rid of the penetrometer gadget for a start......it has been a problem since day one and the cause of most abandonments. As i have said on many occasions let the course managers present a track suitable to the local conditions/weather instead of being dictated by some over paid academic with no practicable experience.        

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napier bang on as usual. Course managers should ignore the dictates of the ignorant boffins. Instead they should talk to local farmers, bowling club curators and golf club green keepers who are experts at pasture management and growing grass. Of course this will not happen and so expect more abandonments.

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1 hour ago, We're Doomed said:

I believe Murtoa yesterday was a similar situation to NZ abandonments.  NSW was just wet tracks. People who think synthetic tracks will make any significant difference are quite deluded. It just means that rather than a bunch of wet track specialists racing around midwinter at places like Matamata we will have a bunch of synthethic track specialists racing around at Cambridge or wherever; we aren't suddenly going to see  the likes of Savy Coup  racing around midwinter.

Not quite with Murtoa , it was due to Rabbits. Holes in the track and a runner injured itself in one after race 2.

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Bang on for the last 4 posts,when you run in the wet is it easier on long grass or short,trouble is the "boffins" (uni graduates) are brain washed into thinking they cannot be wrong (I know I have worked with them,).How many meetings have now been abandoned after 1 or 2 races,it never happened pre 2000 so why now???.How many people have traveled to those meetings & vow never to go racing again.We have to have all weather tracks or racing is dead or how about dirt tracks like the USA & pull all that grass up LOL.

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9 hours ago, notanat said:

Bang on for the last 4 posts,when you run in the wet is it easier on long grass or short,trouble is the "boffins" (uni graduates) are brain washed into thinking they cannot be wrong (I know I have worked with them,).How many meetings have now been abandoned after 1 or 2 races,it never happened pre 2000 so why now???.How many people have traveled to those meetings & vow never to go racing again.We have to have all weather tracks or racing is dead or how about dirt tracks like the USA & pull all that grass up LOL.

Pre 2000 clubs did not have OSH and H and S type responsibilities.

If the RIU and/or club decided to carry on with a meeting after jockeys claimed the track had an issue should something happen thereafter all hell would break loose legally,

It might be over the top PC stuff for the old timers but its the law of the land today

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10 hours ago, notanat said:

Bang on for the last 4 posts,when you run in the wet is it easier on long grass or short,trouble is the "boffins" (uni graduates) are brain washed into thinking they cannot be wrong (I know I have worked with them,).How many meetings have now been abandoned after 1 or 2 races,it never happened pre 2000 so why now???.How many people have traveled to those meetings & vow never to go racing again.We have to have all weather tracks or racing is dead or how about dirt tracks like the USA & pull all that grass up LOL.

Short sighted. All weather isn't the answer unless you want all weather racing surfaces which generally is boring racing.

The grass is not the cushion, although our idiot commentators would have you think differently. It's the humous and roots in the soil profile that are both the cushioning element and the anchor for the 5 tonne of horse purchase that is required. When they get off the chemical fertilisers, get the right grasses for stability and endurance and stop the incessant watering, we'll start to see an improvement of track conditions

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surely here is (part of) the problem. An awareness of the probability affecting Saturday races, but good enough for every other day of the week?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/sport/8699635/Te-Awamutu-club-loses-Saturday-meetings

From 5 years ago, but a club on a constrained and reducing budget trying to maintain race condition standards for a few race days each year.

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16 hours ago, pole said:

 

yeah i think you hit a good point Scotch Thistle. The tracks are fluffed around with trying to get them perfect for everybody they are making it worse. Nature isn't  playing this bullshit game. 

 

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Just now, tim vince said:

Come to the dark side harness racing.horses can race every week of the year same track.cheaper training fees money at Auckland will be outstanding.better facilities.initial outlay not a hard choice.

 

Haha good stuff Tim - I think I know whats coming though :ph34r:

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5 hours ago, tim vince said:

Come to the dark side harness racing.horses can race every week of the year same track.cheaper training fees money at Auckland will be outstanding.better facilities.initial outlay not a hard choice.

 

Problem is all the tips are gonna dry up now the thieves on wheels have been sprung.

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