coro fan 93 Report post Posted October 2, 2018 6 hours ago, JJ Flash said: GM had nothing to do with owners decision to send it to CW. That was sorted at last NZB sale by CW and BJ at the behest of owner dock leaf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted October 2, 2018 Sometimes, the picture tells the story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dock leaf 142 Report post Posted October 2, 2018 On 9/30/2018 at 2:52 PM, coro fan said: Exactly the point I was trying to make - the horse wasn’t sold to Waller’s owners, he is still SI owned - read an article this morning about Patrick Erin and Chris Waller no mention of a bloodstock agent and kudos was given to the Anderton’s and the horses owner’s for sending him to Aussie. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/patrick-would-be-proud-emotional-metropolitan-win-for-kiwi-stayer-20180929-p506v3.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted October 2, 2018 13 hours ago, coro fan said: 13 hours ago, Leggy said: Sometimes, the picture tells the story. It certainly does on this occasion. GM was probably in the glass box. Leggy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted October 3, 2018 On 9/30/2018 at 8:36 AM, Midget said: The owners/Trainers of Patrick Erin were concerned about the weight/ratings he was getting in NZ and stated this in the media. It also goes to show that the handicapper was probably not wrong about his SI form. dock leaf and Pam Robson 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,882 Report post Posted October 3, 2018 37 minutes ago, Leggy said: It also goes to show that the handicapper was probably not wrong about his SI form. Which handicapper? The NZ one or the Australian one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted October 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Insider said: Which handicapper? The NZ one or the Australian one? Also in what respect were they probably not wrong? I was referring to the NZ one with respect to his Wellington Cup weight. Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted October 3, 2018 You can hardly criticise the handicapper in NZ for giving a good horse a good horse's weight. There is just no depth in our handicaps, so any horse decent enough is quickly going to be weighted out of our racing. Sadly, we tend to find a reasonable type of horse getting into our major races with a light weight, getting a good win, and then fading away. There is just not the quality about to be able to string several wins together. Patrick Erin was always fairly weighted here as he was clearly superior to most of the opposition he met. Leggy and Pam Robson 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted October 3, 2018 How do you explain His weight in his last Wgtn Cup run v Hartnell’s 57kg in the Epsom? Imho, Patrick Erin was a victim of harsh hcping..., Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,537 Report post Posted October 3, 2018 p 8 hours ago, We're Doomed said: You can hardly criticise the handicapper in NZ for giving a good horse a good horse's weight. There is just no depth in our handicaps, so any horse decent enough is quickly going to be weighted out of our racing. Sadly, we tend to find a reasonable type of horse getting into our major races with a light weight, getting a good win, and then fading away. There is just not the quality about to be able to string several wins together. Patrick Erin was always fairly weighted here as he was clearly superior to most of the opposition he met. What impresses me most is the fact the horse is settling so much better. It was [ to me ] a matter of much interest to see how a sometimes 'stressy' horse adapted from the semi-rural environment of the Taeri with ample paddock space, to the high-pressure and confined Sydney stable to which he went. He was known to pull hard in his races at times, not a problem against provincial fields, he was still too good, but his biggest downfall in the Wgtn Cup - IMO - far more than his weight. If he had settled, he would have been a home run I feel. And yet, within a couple of runs, Chris W has him lobbing along off the bridle. Super training. As an aside, I was the 'nominal' trainer of Pat's granddam Red Diamond when she won at Wellington, a few years ago. Trainer Garth Jackson had a bit of a problem with the feds, and he asked me to take over the training of his team for a while. Wife Jane had everything running smoothly, I did absolutely nothing but provide the name on the racebook, and business carried on as usual. Garth had the mare well ready and she won nicely for owner Pat. It's a real shame he isn't around to see his pride and joy performing so well. We're Doomed, Leggy and hedley 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stipulate 3 Report post Posted October 3, 2018 Hi Pam = what is Garth doing these days ?? also another jockey from that era in Riccarton in Phillip Smith , where did he ever get to ???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,537 Report post Posted October 3, 2018 Not sure Garth, he was in Perth for a time and think he went back to the G.C .. Philip I think is in Thailand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted October 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Pam Robson said: p What impresses me most is the fact the horse is settling so much better. It was [ to me ] a matter of much interest to see how a sometimes 'stressy' horse adapted from the semi-rural environment of the Taeri with ample paddock space, to the high-pressure and confined Sydney stable to which he went. He was known to pull hard in his races at times, not a problem against provincial fields, he was still too good, but his biggest downfall in the Wgtn Cup - IMO - far more than his weight. If he had settled, he would have been a home run I feel. And yet, within a couple of runs, Chris W has him lobbing along off the bridle. Super training. As an aside, I was the 'nominal' trainer of Pat's granddam Red Diamond when she won at Wellington, a few years ago. Trainer Garth Jackson had a bit of a problem with the feds, and he asked me to take over the training of his team for a while. Wife Jane had everything running smoothly, I did absolutely nothing but provide the name on the racebook, and business carried on as usual. Garth had the mare well ready and she won nicely for owner Pat. It's a real shame he isn't around to see his pride and joy performing so well. Garth had a few problems with lots of people but was a master trainer Pam. Those were the days at Riccarton - in no particular order, Ned,Dave,Garth and that chap who only ever had 6 in work and was Barts eyes and ears. Forgotten his name Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,537 Report post Posted October 3, 2018 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Garth had a few problems with lots of people but was a master trainer Pam. Those were the days at Riccarton - in no particular order, Ned,Dave,Garth and that chap who only ever had 6 in work and was Barts eyes and ears. Forgotten his name Yeah...sure were the days...I count myself very lucky to have been around when they were...I can still bring to mind so much that Dave Kerr and Ned used to say and do. Were you referring to Jim Tompkinson? Barrie Taggart was another, a really good bloke..I worked for both him and Ned at different times and Gary Lee also...Bill Beck to whom Garth was apprenticed, what a wealth of information he has about old times. elbow 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dock leaf 142 Report post Posted October 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Pam Robson said: p What impresses me most is the fact the horse is settling so much better. It was [ to me ] a matter of much interest to see how a sometimes 'stressy' horse adapted from the semi-rural environment of the Taeri with ample paddock space, to the high-pressure and confined Sydney stable to which he went. He was known to pull hard in his races at times, not a problem against provincial fields, he was still too good, but his biggest downfall in the Wgtn Cup - IMO - far more than his weight. If he had settled, he would have been a home run I feel. And yet, within a couple of runs, Chris W has him lobbing along off the bridle. Super training. As an aside, I was the 'nominal' trainer of Pat's granddam Red Diamond when she won at Wellington, a few years ago. Trainer Garth Jackson had a bit of a problem with the feds, and he asked me to take over the training of his team for a while. Wife Jane had everything running smoothly, I did absolutely nothing but provide the name on the racebook, and business carried on as usual. Garth had the mare well ready and she won nicely for owner Pat. It's a real shame he isn't around to see his pride and joy performing so well. Wouldn't the cruising speed in Sydney races be quicker than NZ? I thought that would be the main factor in him settling during the races? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,539 Report post Posted October 4, 2018 Seems to be know pace on in most staying races in nz, just seems like a canter round and a sprint home, just my opinion, and be interested in other people's thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted October 4, 2018 59 minutes ago, Pam Robson said: Were you referring to Jim Tompkinson? Has to be. You could hardly have a cuppa tea with the man without learning something. Pam Robson and elbow 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Pam Robson said: Yeah...sure were the days...I count myself very lucky to have been around when they were...I can still bring to mind so much that Dave Kerr and Ned used to say and do. Were you referring to Jim Tompkinson? Barrie Taggart was another, a really good bloke..I worked for both him and Ned at different times and Gary Lee also...Bill Beck to whom Garth was apprenticed, what a wealth of information he has about old times. Jim T was indeed the man i was referring to Pam. Could he train a horse or what. Had the odd good apprentice including J Hawes , better known these days as mother of Alysha Jason and Tasha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted October 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Jim T was indeed the man i was referring to Pam. Could he train a horse or what. Had the odd good apprentice including J Hawes , better known these days as mother of Alysha Jason and Tasha. Also known as the wife of a fairly handy trainer? Pam Robson 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...