GOM 1,017 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 Wot's happening with Cambridge this week / Ak or Cambridge? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Sharp 224 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, GOM said: Wot's happening with Cambridge this week / Ak or Cambridge? Cambridge. They reopened the noms as they didn't have enough for the Waterloo Cup heats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rules For Some 163 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 Waikato GRC meeting Thursday 20th September 2018 will now be run at Manukau due to issues with the resurfacing of the track at Cambridge Raceway. Nominations will now remain open until 8:00am Tuesday for those who wish to either nominate or withdraw due to the relocation. Fields will be drawn at 9.30am Tuesday morning and will be made available prior to Auckland noms closing for Sunday at midday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Sharp 224 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 There is a new report up saying it's at Auckland due to issues with resurfacing the track. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSUN 100 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 Now Auckland as Cambridge track has issues. Noms now open until 8am tomorrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rules For Some 163 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 What happens to the Waterloo cup heat? 2 heats at Auckland... What a joke... Why cant these people follow their own rules? No wonder new zealand greyhound racing is the laughing stock of racing GOM and modest mouse 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOM 1,017 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 It all comes down to rules for some, Rules For Some Chris Wood 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hound Fan 577 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rules For Some said: What happens to the Waterloo cup heat? 2 heats at Auckland... What a joke... Why cant these people follow their own rules? No wonder new zealand greyhound racing is the laughing stock of racing Bit over the top...dont think anyone thinks it's a laughing stock...at least they were proactive and didn't get there meeting cancelled.....few points need addressing though...if the track was so bad why did trials go ahead with the fastest being 20.98....I think this comes down to a few people thinking they are mightier than the rest.....unusual to see a riu person there....were they there by request?....4 days till racing ...plenty of time to grade and water and roll the track....noms are reopened till 8am in the morning...but hello just been told phone noms closed at 4.30pm tonight...no on there at grnz until 8am......no disrespect to the riu person but come on in 40years I'm not a track expert and neither are the people involved in making this decision but I think the times of all the trials would say it was fixable......my opinion poor call but a laughing stock no....nobody else cares Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modest mouse 469 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 You have to feel sorry for the trainers that went to the track, only to have to go home again. Surely they knew earlier that the track was not up to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rules For Some 163 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Hound Fan said: Bit over the top...dont think anyone thinks it's a laughing stock...at least they were proactive and didn't get there meeting cancelled.....few points need addressing though...if the track was so bad why did trials go ahead with the fastest being 20.98....I think this comes down to a few people thinking they are mightier than the rest.....unusual to see a riu person there....were they there by request?....4 days till racing ...plenty of time to grade and water and roll the track....noms are reopened till 8am in the morning...but hello just been told phone noms closed at 4.30pm tonight...no on there at grnz until 8am......no disrespect to the riu person but come on in 40years I'm not a track expert and neither are the people involved in making this decision but I think the times of all the trials would say it was fixable......my opinion poor call but a laughing stock no....nobody else cares It is a laughing stock. The fact there was a 20.98 today says it all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmyb 277 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 Run 20.98 one trial and could have had a break down the next. Times aren't everything. Up to trainers if they wanted to trial. Their risk. Stipes were there at request of the club. The club and Stipes were not satisfied that the track would be in prime safe racing condition by Thursday so went to plan b.. Transfer to Auckland. This was always a back up plan the club did not want to undertake but better to be safe than sorry. Rules for Waterloo Cup I think have in there about 2 heats at Auckland If a club doesn't get their heat off the ground. Could be wrong. Yes a very unfortunate thing but imagine the uproar if we got to Cambridge on Thursday to have to turn around and go home without a meeting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hound Fan 577 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, mmmyb said: Run 20.98 one trial and could have had a break down the next. Times aren't everything. Up to trainers if they wanted to trial. Their risk. Stipes were there at request of the club. The club and Stipes were not satisfied that the track would be in prime safe racing condition by Thursday so went to plan b.. Transfer to Auckland. This was always a back up plan the club did not want to undertake but better to be safe than sorry. Rules for Waterloo Cup I think have in there about 2 heats at Auckland If a club doesn't get their heat off the ground. Could be wrong. Yes a very unfortunate thing but imagine the uproar if we got to Cambridge on Thursday to have to turn around and go home without a meeting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rules For Some 163 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 If that were the case. There would never be a race meeting at auckland with all the serious injuries that have occured there on trial day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hound Fan 577 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 13 hours ago, mmmyb said: Run 20.98 one trial and could have had a break down the next. Times aren't everything. Up to trainers if they wanted to trial. Their risk. Stipes were there at request of the club. The club and Stipes were not satisfied that the track would be in prime safe racing condition by Thursday so went to plan b.. Transfer to Auckland. This was always a back up plan the club did not want to undertake but better to be safe than sorry. Rules for Waterloo Cup I think have in there about 2 heats at Auckland If a club doesn't get their heat off the ground. Could be wrong. Yes a very unfortunate thing but imagine the uproar if we got to Cambridge on Thursday to have to turn around and go home without a meeting. Corey...you are right. The first special conditions state that the heats are to be run at a venue...not at a club and if cancelled at that venue the auckland club is able to run 2 heats....clearly not transfered race meetings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hound Fan 577 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 13 hours ago, Hound Fan said: Problem averted....not enough noms for waikato heat...2 heats Sunday? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniJax 30 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 It’s probably bad for dogs who run better at Cambridge with bigger and shorter track but I would of thought it would be more ideal because the final is at Manakau so at least they’ve run on the track. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOM 1,017 Report post Posted September 18, 2018 Corey. If the club had identified that the track was not fit to race on Thursday then they should have called off trials yesterday. I would imagine if I had been trialing a Pinny Mack or Bigtime Paddy and they had broke down when the club knew the track was unsafe I would be after them like the RIU after a trotting driver. ( I could have remained with the dogs and said like the RIU after a greyhound trainer but that would be far too slow and ineffective) Steve makes a good point that who is the expert that makes these call's. With all due respect to your Dad and the stipes. I think they could be questionably qualified but good onya for sticking by Dad. One of the most experienced people with track management at Cambridge would be Peter Henley and he was telling people the track was in good order and great to run on Hound Fan, Rules For Some, bus stop and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtual.Stipe 34 Report post Posted September 18, 2018 Just a question: Why does the Northern region get two heats, with the Cambridge heat run at 457m? Taking into consideration that the other 3 heats and final are run in the 520ish range. Wouldn't it be great if the Otago region got a heat? Then the Waterloo Cup could be marketed like a Nationals competition! GOM 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betting man 57 Report post Posted September 18, 2018 6 hours ago, GOM said: Corey. If the club had identified that the track was not fit to race on Thursday then they should have called off trials yesterday. I would imagine if I had been trialing a Pinny Mack or Bigtime Paddy and they had broke down when the club knew the track was unsafe I would be after them like the RIU after a trotting driver. ( I could have remained with the dogs and said like the RIU after a greyhound trainer but that would be far too slow and ineffective) Steve makes a good point that who is the expert that makes these call's. With all due respect to your Dad and the stipes. I think they could be questionably qualified but good onya for sticking by Dad. One of the most experienced people with track management at Cambridge would be Peter Henley and he was telling people the track was in good order and great to run on From what I was told last night the stipes made the call that the track was deemed unsafe due to the pentrometer readings varying dramatically with some of the readings being well over 40 which is an automatic “abandon “ on race day together with a large amount of metal shavings being found on the track along the rail from the recent remedial work. The decision was made to abandon Thursday’s meeting and implemented well before any trainers arrived on track. The stewards advised that the trials be abandoned and most trainers accepted this and left as did the starter/track curator but a few took it upon themselves to start and run their own trials so I strongly doubt the stewards could be held responsible for this should any dog be injured. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hound Fan 577 Report post Posted September 18, 2018 58 minutes ago, Betting man said: From what I was told last night the stipes made the call that the track was deemed unsafe due to the pentrometer readings varying dramatically with some of the readings being well over 40 which is an automatic “abandon “ on race day together with a large amount of metal shavings being found on the track along the rail from the recent remedial work. The decision was made to abandon Thursday’s meeting and implemented well before any trainers arrived on track. The stewards advised that the trials be abandoned and most trainers accepted this and left as did the starter/track curator but a few took it upon themselves to start and run their own trials so I strongly doubt the stewards could be held responsible for this should any dog be injured. I can tell you without a doubt if the pentrometer read 40..there is no way a dog could break 21....my own pup improved from over 22 to run 21.66......either someone is telling porky's or the pentrometer is not working....by the way the pentrometer is a jacked up peice of metal dropping through a plastic tube ....many things can happen like it not being dropped properly to under dropping of it....it is just a guide not a measured tool and should be treated in that way....sometimes a softer track is safer than a hard track... GOM and Rules For Some 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hound Fan 577 Report post Posted September 18, 2018 50 minutes ago, Hound Fan said: I can tell you without a doubt if the pentrometer read 40..there is no way a dog could break 21....my own pup improved from over 22 to run 21.66......either someone is telling porky's or the pentrometer is not working....by the way the pentrometer is a jacked up peice of metal dropping through a plastic tube ....many things can happen like it not being dropped properly to under dropping of it....it is just a guide not a measured tool and should be treated in that way....sometimes a softer track is safer than a hard track... This also begs the question...why are we mucking around with homemade petrometres...why have the riu not invested in professional depth reading machines......its a joke Rules For Some 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rules For Some 163 Report post Posted September 18, 2018 If the track was heavy, no way is a dog breaking 21.00 seconds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOM 1,017 Report post Posted September 18, 2018 14 hours ago, Betting man said: From what I was told last night the stipes made the call that the track was deemed unsafe due to the pentrometer readings varying dramatically with some of the readings being well over 40 which is an automatic “abandon “ on race day together with a large amount of metal shavings being found on the track along the rail from the recent remedial work. The decision was made to abandon Thursday’s meeting and implemented well before any trainers arrived on track. The stewards advised that the trials be abandoned and most trainers accepted this and left as did the starter/track curator but a few took it upon themselves to start and run their own trials so I strongly doubt the stewards could be held responsible for this should any dog be injured. Taylor, what sort of " metal shavings"? That sounds bizarre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
givemeaname 1 Report post Posted September 18, 2018 13 hours ago, Hound Fan said: This also begs the question...why are we mucking around with homemade petrometres...why have the riu not invested in professional depth reading machines......its a joke With what i was told you cant get a reading out of sand with a petrometrer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOM 1,017 Report post Posted September 19, 2018 18 hours ago, Betting man said: From what I was told last night the stipes made the call that the track was deemed unsafe due to the pentrometer readings varying dramatically with some of the readings being well over 40 which is an automatic “abandon “ on race day together with a large amount of metal shavings being found on the track along the rail from the recent remedial work. The decision was made to abandon Thursday’s meeting and implemented well before any trainers arrived on track. The stewards advised that the trials be abandoned and most trainers accepted this and left as did the starter/track curator but a few took it upon themselves to start and run their own trials so I strongly doubt the stewards could be held responsible for this should any dog be injured. Having another look at this post Taylor, why if the decision was made well before any trainers got there did they take trial money off trainers arriving after the decision had been made ???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...