Taku Umanga 194 Report post Posted October 12, 2018 https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107794891/punter-graham-beirne-named-as-racefixing-accused Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted November 8, 2018 Hearing from sources close to one of the arrested persons that they are feeling more confidant by the day that they will get off completely or have charges dramatically reduced as a result of police back pedaling. Anyone else hearing anything new Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted November 9, 2018 The case against many of the accused is very weak, in fact the comment by the judge when presented with the police evidence was well this is not a lot for 18 months work is it. Many of the charges will be dropped before proceeding to trial Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harewood 477 Report post Posted November 9, 2018 10 hours ago, Stables said: The case against many of the accused is very weak, in fact the comment by the judge when presented with the police evidence was well this is not a lot for 18 months work is it. Many of the charges will be dropped before proceeding to trial Where can I read this, the Judges comments "well this is not a lot for 18 months work is it" and the Polices comments that the charges will be dropped. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga 194 Report post Posted November 9, 2018 15 hours ago, Stables said: The case against many of the accused is very weak, in fact the comment by the judge when presented with the police evidence was well this is not a lot for 18 months work is it. Many of the charges will be dropped before proceeding to trial The Judge wouldn't have even seen any evidence at this stage if my ageing courtroom memory serves correct Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted November 9, 2018 That was the Judges statement when the charges were first presented. All evidence has now been provided to the defendants and their Barristers and I can assure you the evidence looks pretty thin in most cases. It has also been presented to HRNZ and I can assure you they were shocked about the weakness of the police case against many of the people charged. This is all a storm in a tea cup and the police will come out of it with egg on their faces Midget 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamour 663 Report post Posted November 9, 2018 Robert Dunn gave a speech to a crowd at the JP2 racenight and said words to the effect that after seeing the evidence the police have it is almost non existent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted November 9, 2018 20 hours ago, Stables said: The case against many of the accused is very weak, in fact the comment by the judge when presented with the police evidence was well this is not a lot for 18 months work is it. Many of the charges will be dropped before proceeding to trial The drug charges will be a different matter as its black and white. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted November 9, 2018 Yes but the quantities are small, probably will result in fines only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 6:45 AM, Stables said: That was the Judges statement when the charges were first presented. All evidence has now been provided to the defendants and their Barristers and I can assure you the evidence looks pretty thin in most cases. It has also been presented to HRNZ and I can assure you they were shocked about the weakness of the police case against many of the people charged. This is all a storm in a tea cup and the police will come out of it with egg on their faces One thing for sure, Those who say this is all a storm in a teacup and the police have insufficient evidence after 18 months ,seem to have gone the early crow so to speak. It seems many have staked their own credibility on the line with such statements. Time will tell. Thejanitor and Newmarket RC 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikecity 747 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 3:33 AM, lamour said: Robert Dunn gave a speech to a crowd at the JP2 racenight and said words to the effect that after seeing the evidence the police have it is almost non existent. What else would he say? "Almost non existent" is like a girl saying "I am just a little bit pregnant" Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 31 minutes ago, what a post said: One thing for sure, Those who say this is all a storm in a teacup and the police have insufficient evidence after 18 months ,seem to have gone the early crow so to speak. It seems many have staked their own credibility on the line with such statements. Time will tell. Sounds like you’re saying the opposite? Or do you have a stinging pain where the sun don’t shine from sitting on the fence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin 3 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 Just aint got the Rose tints on mate Seem to be a few around who like that Dream About horse in the cup too.......Time will tell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclipsed 245 Report post Posted November 28, 2023 and thus it ends..... All allegedly stemming from a disgruntled employee who lost his case against his employer in the Employment Court. What an absolute tragedy for those dragged through this for so long. Article c/- N Z Herald M Guerin Operation Inca: Charges dropped after 17-month investigation into harness racing industry A significant police investigation into alleged race fixing in the harness racing industry has ended with the final charges being dropped, leaving those accused looking for answers and compensation. Operation Inca was a 17-month investigation involving phone taps, bugged cars and hotel rooms, and police officers following harness racing drivers to race meetings. It became public when 11 racing industry participants were arrested in September 2018, most charged with involvement in fixing the outcome of races. But after Judge Michael Crosbie ruled the last two charges should be stayed, effectively dropped, in the Christchurch District Court on November 10, no race fixing or corruption has been proven. Other similar or related charges were also dropped last year after lengthy delays. Most of the 11 people charged have interim name suppression and are applying for that to become permanent. The fizzling-out of the cases is a far cry from the blaze of publicity when arrests were made around Canterbury in September 2018, citing widespread corruption in the harness racing code. Harness racing, known by many as trotting, is the smaller of the two horse racing codes in New Zealand and mainly run separately from the larger thoroughbred code. Some of harness racing’s most successful horsepeople were among those arrested, while many others were questioned by police - but none have been found guilty of race fixing or any form of corruption involving racing. There were admissions of recreational drug use after evidence of that was also scooped up in the Operation Inca net but that resulted in guilty pleas and, being of a minor nature, diversion was granted. Harness Racing New Zealand (HRNZ) bosses are awaiting Judge Crosbie’s written findings, scheduled for February. “HRNZ is still waiting for official confirmation that Operation Inca has come to an end and that charges have been dropped. We are currently seeking that information and confirmation,” says HRNZ chief operating officer Mauro Barsi. “This has been a challenging time for the industry and once we know more, we may well look to see how these events unfolded and what next steps are needed to support our participants and our integrity.” A Christchurch lawyer who acted for three of those charged, James Rapley KC, says while the cases are now over, the damage to his clients and the others charged remains. “There were accusations of corruption and race fixing and the arrests were very public, but after five years it has come to nothing,” Rapley told the Herald. “This investigation and the hearings have caused divorce, depression and have had real human consequences.” One of the accused has spent over $400,000 on legal bills and Rapley says his clients will be seeking costs but he says a “woefully outdated act dating back to 1967″ makes it near impossible for defendants cleared of any wrongdoing to get adequate compensation. After the initial shock at the arrests, many in the industry learned to live with it as the court proceedings dragged on, but now they are over, questions will be asked as to how the investigation got so big when, in one example of alleged match fixing, the race in question involved a bet of a mere $200 by one of the winning horse’s owners for a $280 profit. Horse race or match fixing is an unusual charge in New Zealand because the prosecution must prove that an act was done with intent to influence a betting outcome by manipulating the race result, and in doing so, the accused obtained an advantage or caused loss to another. To that end, the racing industry’s own investigators, the Racing Integrity Unit (which now operates as the Racing Integrity Board or RIB) was called in by police for expert help. With the police cases now dropped, the Herald understands the RIB will not seek to launch any new investigation or issue any charges under the Rules of Racing john legend and LongOwner 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,519 Report post Posted November 28, 2023 I trust the wrongly accused get their legal fees back and compensation for the agony and hurt caused. Criminal that they were put through this, just criminal Iraklis and LongOwner 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,114 Report post Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, TurnyTom said: I trust the wrongly accused get their legal fees back and compensation for the agony and hurt caused. Criminal that they were put through this, just criminal Based on the law ,i doubt they will receive anywhere near that amount Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,203 Report post Posted November 28, 2023 Oh there will have to be comeback, people were damaged, their lives damaged, livelihoods damaged, reputations damaged the whole thing was a bloody disgrace from go to woah....those involved on the side of supposed law an order, shame, shame on the lot of you..... Cheers Iraklis LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,451 Report post Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, TurnyTom said: I trust the wrongly accused get their legal fees back and compensation for the agony and hurt caused. Criminal that they were put through this, just criminal Legal expenses only I suspect. No compensation except in extremely rare cases. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Steel 1,258 Report post Posted November 28, 2023 Just now, Iraklis said: Oh there will have to be comeback, people were damaged, their lives damaged, livelihoods damaged, reputations damaged the whole thing was a bloody disgrace from go to woah....those involved on the side of supposed law an order, shame, shame on the lot of you..... Cheers Iraklis How are reputations damaged ? the charges were dropped? they had name suppression and weren't even named to be tarnished. (unlike say Amanda Turnbull in Australia) so have been racing as per normal the whole time. Why don't they come forward and Proclaim their Innocence ?????? LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,203 Report post Posted November 28, 2023 Pure mate, I would have to say that's a fairly naive view yuh got there, the way the whole thing was blasted all over the media and for 5yrs there has been innuendo, suspicion, finger pointin etc and now drop it like its hot? suppression or no, you well know that when the gossip train gets goin it's bloody hard to stop....charges very well may have been dropped as is the Inca case itself now; but it doesn't take from the fact that there were people caught up in this whole sorry mess and for what? surely you read the papers saw the news back then...how would you feel if you were one caught up in it, just because you happen to work in one of those stables? or happen to speak to one of the people under suspicion; and you may well get the rest of your question answered in the days to come re those comin forward to proclaim their innocence; through their lawyers.... Cheers Iraklis john legend, LongOwner and lamour 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Horse 25 Report post Posted November 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Pure Steel said: How are reputations damaged ? the charges were dropped? they had name suppression and weren't even named to be tarnished. (unlike say Amanda Turnbull in Australia) so have been racing as per normal the whole time. Why don't they come forward and Proclaim their Innocence ?????? You clearly missed on Stuff where everyone was named for 2 hours LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Steel 1,258 Report post Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Iraklis said: Pure mate, I would have to say that's a fairly naive view yuh got there, the way the whole thing was blasted all over the media and for 5yrs there has been innuendo, suspicion, finger pointin etc and now drop it like its hot? suppression or no, you well know that when the gossip train gets goin it's bloody hard to stop....charges very well may have been dropped as is the Inca case itself now; but it doesn't take from the fact that there were people caught up in this whole sorry mess and for what? surely you read the papers saw the news back then...how would you feel if you were one caught up in it, just because you happen to work in one of those stables? or happen to speak to one of the people under suspicion; and you may well get the rest of your question answered in the days to come re those comin forward to proclaim their innocence; through their lawyers.... Cheers Iraklis I've been to court mate. In Aus plenty of people are charged with stuff everyday. There's a REASON they are charged. But as you know You Are Innocent Until Proven Guillty . you guys are Naive. hiding behind Suppression orders and all that shit . Talk about Gossip trains . that's You guys . Amanda turnbull and leonard Cain were arrested Vic and Qld here with race fixing , but got off in due course (while their associates were convicted in different cases) You can't just IGNORE the race fixing problems when they happen . It's ALL I used to read about NZ harness racing at one stage ? doesn't happen now thankfully .. and 'for what' you say ???? for the good of the Industry mate. Investigations are made to keep it all clean and above board. Mate .. lots of trainers are accused of 'something' at some stage ..sometimes by their own Owners. it's just normal in horse racing...BUT Innocent until proven guilty !!. wink at grimson too lol just kidding. LongOwner, THE TORCH and JJ Flash 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,451 Report post Posted November 28, 2023 22 minutes ago, Mr Horse said: You clearly missed on Stuff where everyone was named for 2 hours They were all named initially from memory. Certainly many of them anyway. LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Steel 1,258 Report post Posted November 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Idolmite said: They were all named initially from memory. Certainly many of them anyway. Who was it then ? did they lose their way/income with the charges ? have the general public got stuck into them ? and more importantly does anyone think they were guilty as charged ? lol. LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHC 17 Report post Posted November 28, 2023 Most people with half a brain would conclude that there is no lasting reputational damage given all charges dropped. The public have very short memories and many will not have been following this story anyway. Doesn’t mean those involved are pure as the driven snow, just that there was insufficient evidence to proceed with a prosecution. And compensation for what exactly? Not like they’ve been wrongfully imprisoned. JJ Flash, Pure Steel and LongOwner 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...