Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 On 9/6/2018 at 8:38 PM, Watsup said: Steve who Austin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 On 9/6/2018 at 9:20 PM, Thejanitor said: I don't want to Bag anyone, but Orbiter and Gentle George (I think he won on all four days of the Cup Carnival 1978), are related to this issue. plus Trinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 On 9/8/2018 at 10:26 AM, okeedokalee said: Nothing is new.I was a regular attender at Alexander Park for many years, till I saw Miss Ghana being pulled up so hard the horses head was side ways looking at us in the stand. It was favourite and it's stablemate won. That night I stopped punting on harness racing and many of the group I was with did too. and it has survived to this very day JJ Flash and john legend 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 On 10/5/2018 at 9:45 AM, tasman man 11 said: Ive heard from friends of friends ,their neighbours and motherinlaws ,including many who claim to be in the know including inside the TAB ...one race which comes up is the Derby....rumours about team driving ,injecting horses on day of race , conspiring to have the favourite run out of first 4,quiet lead up runs etc. For mine ,this was the most competitive race of the season and it was a Group 1. If the authorities are hanging their hopes on this race ,after 17 months of hiding in bushes and wire-tapping I'd say good luck ! That speculation is why the suppression orders should be lifted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 48 minutes ago, what a post said: That speculation is why the suppression orders should be lifted. You may get your wish over the next few days. 09 October significant day for those appealing initial suppression order refusal. One does have longer term suppression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 54 minutes ago, what a post said: That speculation is why the suppression orders should be lifted. Is there a preceedence for this ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 Every person who backs a horse that finishes down the track will never concede that it was poor selection on their part, it's always blamed on they weren't trying or they pulled it up, it's never because the horse simply wasn't good enough Belinda and napier 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,132 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 45 minutes ago, Stables said: Every person who backs a horse that finishes down the track will never concede that it was poor selection on their part, it's always blamed on they weren't trying or they pulled it up, it's never because the horse simply wasn't good enough Ive spent some of my gambling career punting horses that did not get anywhere.Its mostly my fault for wrong selection so i concede Stables and that must make me very different according to you. Does that mean im special or were you over emphasizing your original point Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 I would say it makes you very special, a man who admits to making mistakes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Stables said: Every person who backs a horse that finishes down the track will never concede that it was poor selection on their part, it's always blamed on they weren't trying or they pulled it up, it's never because the horse simply wasn't good enough Aren't many involved in all aspects of the industry punters, including trainers, drivers, owners. That's a very negative outlook you have . 3 hours ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Is there a preceedence for this ? I don't know what grounds they are arguing for suppression. Are they arguing that pre trial publicity may cause prejudice,thus preventing the proper administration of justice? Is there personal circumstances that effect certain defendants. Personally I think those arguments lose when comparing the need for open justice from the publics perspective. It also prevents unnecessary speculation concerning people and circumstances which have been wrongly implicated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, what a post said: Aren't many involved in all aspects of the industry punters, including trainers, drivers, owners. That's a very negative outlook you have . I don't know what grounds they are arguing for suppression. Are they arguing that pre trial publicity may cause prejudice,thus preventing the proper administration of justice? Is there personal circumstances that effect certain defendants. Personally I think those arguments lose when comparing the need for open justice from the publics perspective. It also prevents unnecessary speculation concerning people and circumstances which have been wrongly implicated. Be interesting to see if anyone know of an instance suppression has been refused to prevent unnecessary speculation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,132 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 32 minutes ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Be interesting to see if anyone know of an instance suppression has been refused to prevent unnecessary speculation. Your running a very good program on this whole case . You obviously have a little bit of inside so to speak so thanks for your pertinent posts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Kotare_Hunter said: suppression has been refused to prevent unnecessary speculation. I have shortened your sentence to confuse your message,just as you did mine.How about you quote the whole sentence next time,that way you will include the reasons I gave for expressing an opinion. Name suppression or interim name suppression needs to be applied consistently for everyone appearing in court. Your not a protected species just because you operate in the harness world,just read the court news in your local paper if you want precedents. No doubt everyone appearing in court don't want the public to know. It doesn't work like that though does it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 Kotare Hunter was a very good horse owned by Tony Abell and driven in most of his starts by Murray Rennie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, Stables said: Kotare Hunter was a very good horse owned by Tony Abell and driven in most of his starts by Murray Rennie A double Kotare in fact by Legend out of Del Blue and White checkers I believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Taku Umanga 194 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, Stables said: Kotare Hunter was a very good horse owned by Tony Abell and driven in most of his starts by Murray Rennie So what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 Just an observation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 7 hours ago, Stables said: Just an observation And a mighty fine one if I do say so myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket RC 209 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 Anyone know what time the court case starts this morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Newmarket said: Anyone know what time the court case starts this morning Kick Off usually 10am Who is expected in court, well roughly speaking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket RC 209 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Kick Off usually 10am Who is expected in court, well roughly speaking. Take your pick, i would love to be there but its too far away for me to attend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,132 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 There were no names on the court lists today that resembled anyone known to the Harness fraternity. Yes i know that most have name suppression but not sure how it turned out for those who were to attend today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga 194 Report post Posted October 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: There were no names on the court lists today that resembled anyone known to the Harness fraternity. Yes i know that most have name suppression but not sure how it turned out for those who were to attend today. I think today was the expiry day for suppression orders unless appealed to the high court, so no names of interest would be on the court list. Newmarket RC and Kotare_Hunter 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 9, 2018 28 minutes ago, Taku Umanga said: I think today was the expiry day for suppression orders unless appealed to the high court, so no names of interest would be on the court list. Don't think any were required to attend today. For the alleged race fixers their next appearance in regard to "race fixing" is 25 Mar 2019. 05 Dec 2018 is a date for "other" charges to be dealt with. Taku Umanga 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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