Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted September 15, 2018 2 hours ago, LongOwner said: You think when they come to order more letterheads they will become the Racing Unit ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner 217 Report post Posted September 15, 2018 17 hours ago, Kotare_Hunter said: You think when they come to order more letterheads they will become the Racing Unit ? Just an example that they do not have integrity and maybe Racing Unit is it - as far as the correct name . Dont know what to call the police as they didn’t raid houses, smash cars or charge anyone with not going to the aid of injured person , body tampering or moving a body - nothing ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,115 Report post Posted September 15, 2018 48 minutes ago, LongOwner said: Just an example that they do not have integrity and maybe Racing Unit is it - as far as the correct name . Dont know what to call the police as they didn’t raid houses, smash cars or charge anyone with not going to the aid of injured person , body tampering or moving a body - nothing ! You should go to them with all your evidence that you have on the matter or is this just another one of your now infamous RIU/Police beat ups. You clearly have a lot of issues with authorities based on your posts on both channels what a post 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE TORCH 657 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 On 9/14/2018 at 3:39 PM, stackedbluechip said: A race fix doesn't need to be successful to be a fix people. The act of collusion to fix or alter the race for personal gain is, in itself the fix... that's the illegal action. What if it occurs at a WORKOUT???? Watch this space. There could be some red faces come out from the RIU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, THE TORCH said: What if it occurs at a WORKOUT???? Watch this space. There could be some red faces come out from the RIU. I'd go a step further and say I wouldn't be surprised if sackings and or lawsuits were on the way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 32 minutes ago, Sickopunter said: I'd go a step further and say I wouldn't be surprised if sackings and or lawsuits were on the way. Could never be ruled out given what's happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 735 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 HRNZ/TAB. seems proud of the fact that despite the mayhem turnovers are holding up ! My opinion as to why is that our great leaders have reduced advertising to the general public ,not supported any publications. closed TABs across the country , no free to air TV .Only preach to the converted (perhaps they will put more in the plate.) employ more backroom boys and girls . So only harness punters left are us diehard harness fanatcs that wil bet through storms/wars/pestolence(whatever that is but who cares we bet anyway) and the fringe punters dont exist anymore therefore nothing to lose... look aroumd TABs /Sports Bars. I am right and I write this with hope that something may change in future Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, john legend said: HRNZ/TAB. seems proud of the fact that despite the mayhem turnovers are holding up ! My opinion as to why is that our great leaders have reduced advertising to the general public ,not supported any publications. closed TABs across the country , no free to air TV .Only preach to the converted (perhaps they will put more in the plate.) employ more backroom boys and girls . So only harness punters left are us diehard harness fanatcs that wil bet through storms/wars/pestolence(whatever that is but who cares we bet anyway) and the fringe punters dont exist anymore therefore nothing to lose... look aroumd TABs /Sports Bars. I am right and I write this with hope that something may change in future If you watch some of the drives today at Methven only the die hards will be punting as you say John L. Not suggesting anything untoward just plain.old ordinary driving performances due to a lack.of understanding pace. LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 I have lost sight of how all this started..........I'm a conspiracy theorist so try this for size. Could it be the TAB working it all back from consistent success by a few individuals who are winning. From phones / tablets / laptops they could themselves without any police involvement establish a few basic links.. Then having established that the betting results were "too" successful and defying normal rates of success launch their own case through the RIU. These bets may have taken the form of head to Head bets or any form for that but in all cases the common denominator would be the TAB account numbers. From the initial RIU enquiry a case could be put before the police and once that's done all the confidential nature of phone to phone , phone to email links could be established outside of the TAB loop no matter how careful the perpetrators were. Bank a/c details and business records would reveal a massive amount of detail , even Mr Cash's activities would show up. The betting rout would cease and the TAB rolls on. You know the odds now beat them !! There must be an incredible amount of surveillance when you think about it particularly if you win consistently. THE TORCH 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterEd 323 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 4 hours ago, ivanthegreat said: I have lost sight of how all this started..........I'm a conspiracy theorist so try this for size. Could it be the TAB working it all back from consistent success by a few individuals who are winning. From phones / tablets / laptops they could themselves without any police involvement establish a few basic links.. Then having established that the betting results were "too" successful and defying normal rates of success launch their own case through the RIU. These bets may have taken the form of head to Head bets or any form for that but in all cases the common denominator would be the TAB account numbers. From the initial RIU enquiry a case could be put before the police and once that's done all the confidential nature of phone to phone , phone to email links could be established outside of the TAB loop no matter how careful the perpetrators were. Bank a/c details and business records would reveal a massive amount of detail , even Mr Cash's activities would show up. The betting rout would cease and the TAB rolls on. You know the odds now beat them !! There must be an incredible amount of surveillance when you think about it particularly if you win consistently. Nope I am still winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 6 hours ago, ivanthegreat said: I have lost sight of how all this started..........I'm a conspiracy theorist so try this for size. Could it be the TAB working it all back from consistent success by a few individuals who are winning. From phones / tablets / laptops they could themselves without any police involvement establish a few basic links.. Then having established that the betting results were "too" successful and defying normal rates of success launch their own case through the RIU. These bets may have taken the form of head to Head bets or any form for that but in all cases the common denominator would be the TAB account numbers. From the initial RIU enquiry a case could be put before the police and once that's done all the confidential nature of phone to phone , phone to email links could be established outside of the TAB loop no matter how careful the perpetrators were. Bank a/c details and business records would reveal a massive amount of detail , even Mr Cash's activities would show up. The betting rout would cease and the TAB rolls on. You know the odds now beat them !! There must be an incredible amount of surveillance when you think about it particularly if you win consistently. Not a crazy as it sounds but my understanding is that the only “punter” identified had been losing with the tab in that period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Piper 404 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Fartoomuch said: If you watch some of the drives today at Methven only the die hards will be punting as you say John L. Not suggesting anything untoward just plain.old ordinary driving performances due to a lack.of understanding pace. What about A Stuart's horse, pulled up after striking the sulky wheel. Obviously Mr Stuart is not allowed to be on course and seemingly hadn't advised caretaker how the horses gear is meant to be set up . Another side affect on the decision to suspensions. Alot of punters lost out as was very well supported. THE TORCH and Newmarket RC 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseacol 2,488 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 14 hours ago, 2Piper said: What about A Stuart's horse, pulled up after striking the sulky wheel. Obviously Mr Stuart is not allowed to be on course and seemingly hadn't advised caretaker how the horses gear is meant to be set up . Another side affect on the decision to suspensions. Alot of punters lost out as was very well supported. If what you describe is the reason it happened(ie "didn't advise the caretaker"), then blaming suspensions misses the point that the "trainer" did a poor job making sure things were done correctly. richie and Pam Robson 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket RC 209 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, chelseacol said: If what you describe is the reason it happened(ie "didn't advise the caretaker"), then blaming suspensions misses the point that the "trainer" did a poor job making sure things were done correctly. I would have thought he was lucky not to be hauled before the RIU and maybe fined for such a gear failure. Unprofessional perhaps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJESTIC 179 Report post Posted September 23, 2018 Last I was told the charged ones very confident normalIty would resume by Friday past and they would be allowed back on race course etc. Maybe their belief was not well founded. Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,711 Report post Posted September 23, 2018 Didn't they appeal to the RIU and wasn't that supposed to be held week just gone. Anyone know anything? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,115 Report post Posted September 23, 2018 3 hours ago, MAJESTIC said: Last I was told the charged ones very confident normalIty would resume by Friday past and they would be allowed back on race course etc. Maybe their belief was not well founded. How could that be, some are telling all and sundry including owners that they are innocent and nothing to worry about going forward. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted September 23, 2018 This from 13 Sept http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Challenge-to-race-meeting-bans Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted September 23, 2018 On 9/16/2018 at 12:27 PM, Sickopunter said: I'd go a step further and say I wouldn't be surprised if sackings and or lawsuits were on the way. This won't be from the integrity will it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted September 23, 2018 On 9/16/2018 at 12:27 PM, Sickopunter said: I'd go a step further and say I wouldn't be surprised if sackings and or lawsuits were on the way. Surely this won't have all started from the 0800 integrity hotline (0800 RIU 123) will it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted September 24, 2018 On 9/23/2018 at 5:58 PM, Kotare_Hunter said: This from 13 Sept http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Challenge-to-race-meeting-bans Something happening but seems no urgency https://theinformant.co.nz/riu-reviewing-racetrack-exclusions/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 26, 2018 Just noted that this thread has seen 495 posts and 68500 views. Must be some sort of record for harness Race Cafe. Good to see everyone playing with a straight bat and accepting that other peoples opinions may differ from their own without getting nasty about it. Iraklis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted September 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, Fartoomuch said: Just noted that this thread has seen 495 posts and 68500 views. Must be some sort of record for harness Race Cafe. Good to see everyone playing with a straight bat and accepting that other peoples opinions may differ from their own without getting nasty about it. As it should be to Fartoomuch if the shoe was on the other foot they would expect the same...thanks everyone, its great to see, and will get more joining and returning. Iraklis, Thejanitor and Newmarket RC 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted September 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Fartoomuch said: Just noted that this thread has seen 495 posts and 68500 views. Must be some sort of record for harness Race Cafe. Good to see everyone playing with a straight bat and accepting that other peoples opinions may differ from their own without getting nasty about it. I wonder if Scoobs will be shouting Chocolate Cake Newmarket RC and scooby3051 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJESTIC 179 Report post Posted September 26, 2018 Interesting to note that no drivers notified for the R J Dunn horses for Addington Friday night. With driver engagement notification down for 1.00pm today was the trainer awaiting some devine intervention. Also notice other horse(s) without driver engagement. Does a fine get imposed for no notification by the set time of 1.00pm as set out in the programme conditions on the HRNZ site? There have been updates to the fields since 1.00pm close off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...