Taku Umanga 194 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 34 minutes ago, Lee270744 said: You are 100% correct B. Does anyone think 2 footballers can fix a football match? An ex-driver who probably features in the top 10 all-time winning drivers said exactly the same thing it would take more than 2 drivers to fix a race. Rubbish - if those two drivers were on favored runners and conspired to make sure those runners did not finish in the first three it would be easier for a trifecta punter to get a healthy dividend by excluding them if that punter was "in the know". Surely you understand that fixing a race needn't mean winning that race? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belinda 143 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Taku Umanga said: Rubbish - if those two drivers were on favored runners and conspired to make sure those runners did not finish in the first three it would be easier for a trifecta punter to get a healthy dividend by excluding them if that punter was "in the know". Surely you understand that fixing a race needn't mean winning that race? Well at Blenheim one of those favourites named in the race fixing, won the race. So? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee270744 682 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Taku Umanga said: Rubbish - if those two drivers were on favored runners and conspired to make sure those runners did not finish in the first three it would be easier for a trifecta punter to get a healthy dividend by excluding them if that punter was "in the know". Surely you understand that fixing a race needn't mean winning that race? Oh sorry, How many times could you slaughter the two favorites before the owners and trainers would wake up maybe 18 months? and would they be forbidden to watch the replays? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 Belinda I think that maybe head to head bets may be involved in some of these inquiries. Note that the TAB stopped head to head betting on harness races some time ago. Coincidence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty 575 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Belinda said: The one thing I do wonder about, how can you have race fixing involving only 2 drivers in the race? What about all the other starters? There is no guarantee that one of them isn't going to come along and win. It seems rather odd to me. Race fixing presumes that most of the drivers would be in on it. Otherwise it's nearly as much a gamble as betting on a straight race anyway. May not necessarily relate to the outright winner of a race. It may relate to a betting option where two horses are nominated as a betting option that is a head to head market within the same race. So horse number 5 and horse number 7 may be selected as the two horses (out of a 10 horse field) by the TAB. The horse that beats the other horse home is declared the winner. So in theory, if one horse runs 4th and the other horse runs worse than 4th, the 4th placed horse is the winner. I.e they are racing against eachother, for the better result. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga 194 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Lee270744 said: Oh sorry, How many times could you slaughter the two favorites before the owners and trainers would wake up maybe 18 months? and would they be forbidden to watch the replays? How many times? It only takes one for a race-fixing charge. Not hard to make a horse look unlucky and come up with some bullshit excuse for the owners (and stipes) .... Kotare_Hunter and stackedbluechip 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseacol 2,488 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Lee270744 said: You are 100% correct B. Does anyone think 2 footballers can fix a football match? An ex-driver who probably features in the top 10 all-time winning drivers said exactly the same thing it would take more than 2 drivers to fix a race. Playing devils advocate here - if another horse or driver stuffs up the plan of two (or more) people to fix a race - does that make the conduct of the 2 (or more) people involved ok ? A couple of the races highlighted clearly raise questions - and not trying, or aiding another runner etc are definitely punishable offences - whether or not they come off. richie 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 Fixing is much better suited to Boxing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Fixing is much better suited to Boxing He's got a clean sheet Kotare and the judges decision is final Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 One other matter needs to be addressed here. Where there's crime it is usually associated with $$$. One therefore has to wonder if the IRD is taking any interest in these cases Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernlea25 110 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 In an age of Betfair and being able to 'lay' horses, the ability to cheat for financial gain is far more possible without needing a large number of co-conspirators. Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
okeedokalee 2 Report post Posted September 14, 2018 In a race that is fixed, those cheats not in it for the win, can run interference on those horses trying to genuinely and honestly win the race... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stackedbluechip 29 Report post Posted September 14, 2018 A race fix doesn't need to be successful to be a fix people. The act of collusion to fix or alter the race for personal gain is, in itself the fix... that's the illegal action. badger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,763 Report post Posted September 14, 2018 WTF ??! Did anyone else see the discussion between McCormick and Gavin Smith in Race 1 tonight....?? Not smart given what's going on... Kotare_Hunter 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted September 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: WTF ??! Did anyone else see the discussion between McCormick and Gavin Smith in Race 1 tonight....?? Not smart given what's going on... just need to mic them up now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted September 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Ohokaman said: WTF ??! Did anyone else see the discussion between McCormick and Gavin Smith in Race 1 tonight....?? Not smart given what's going on... Did you hear the discussion? Didn't think so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,763 Report post Posted September 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, Sickopunter said: Did you hear the discussion? Didn't think so. Did you see it smartarse ? Having a chat over your shoulder with a driver on your outside ? Who then went on to win the race ? Even the cameras zoomed in on it....asking the same question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted September 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: Did you see it smartarse ? Having a chat over your shoulder with a driver on your outside ? Who then went on to win the race ? Even the cameras zoomed in on it....asking the same question. I did see it and if you want to get mouthy two can play that game. He handed to the favourite who went on to win. Would have been a poor drive to hold it out. He stopped. No-one but those two know what they said. No story here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,763 Report post Posted September 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Sickopunter said: I did see it and if you want to get mouthy two can play that game. He handed to the favourite who went on to win. Would have been a poor drive to hold it out. He stopped. No-one but those two know what they said. No story here. I didn't say there was. It wasn't a good look given what's happening right now. Ok with you smartmouth ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted September 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: I didn't say there was. It wasn't a good look given what's happening right now. Ok with you smartmouth ? You implied it. And I don't think it even slightly relates to whats happening now. And that's two strikes now so I think I am well within my rights to give some back. Dumb arse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamour 663 Report post Posted September 15, 2018 18 hours ago, Kotare_Hunter said: just need to mic them up now There would be too much swearing to broadcast. Kotare_Hunter 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted September 15, 2018 17 hours ago, Sickopunter said: You implied it. And I don't think it even slightly relates to whats happening now. And that's two strikes now so I think I am well within my rights to give some back. Dumb arse. Guys come on...is there really any need for the personal agro... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamour 663 Report post Posted September 15, 2018 19 hours ago, Ohokaman said: WTF ??! Did anyone else see the discussion between McCormick and Gavin Smith in Race 1 tonight....?? Not smart given what's going on... As far as I know it is not illegal for drivers to talk to each other during a race. Fair enough though if you want to have a discussion about whether it should be legal or not. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted September 15, 2018 4 hours ago, scooby3051 said: Guys come on...is there really any need for the personal agro... I totally agree but I feel I’m compelled to act in self defence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted September 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Sickopunter said: I totally agree but I feel I’m compelled to act in self defence. We are not at school..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...