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Messara Racing Review Full Report and 17 Key points

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8 hours ago, Uriah Heap said:

If it is correct it, would encapsulate a mindset holding back the NZ racing industry. Local, vested interests, placed ahead of the greater good.

Nostalgia must be placed aside. It's time to move on.

Absolutely so long as it doesn't directly impact me , is that what you're saying?

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Gore not playing the game .

A couple of years ago a committeeman from another club told me this would happen to their asset  if their club was ever forced to sell .

"If we can't race here, we'll disband, sell our assets and give the money to the Gore community," Gore Racing Club president Justine Abernethy said.

 

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2 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

Gore not playing the game .

A couple of years ago a committeeman from another club told me this would happen to their asset  if their club was ever forced to sell .

"If we can't race here, we'll disband, sell our assets and give the money to the Gore community," Gore Racing Club president Justine Abernethy said.

 

Yip, that's what will happen I'm picking if clubs are forced to vacate their courses and Assets will be returned to the communities that built them and not to NZ Racing. A total and idiotic flaw in the report's plan. Just one of the things obviously not thought through or consulted on.

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3 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:

Its some talking points and if we dont agree lets all come up with BETTER options then, thats all i am suggesting, no good bleating on this is wrong thats wrong come up with something better.

Many of us have done that a decade ago and since. It falls on deaf ears and apart from the obvious in this report that most agree on, the rest is an unsubstantiated crock of shit and some important ingredients are completely missing. Very disappointing. I expected something a bit more robust from John.

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6 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

These are the initial 20 closures RR with others to follow after track constructions.

.Dargaville

Avondale

Thames

Rotorua

Wairoa
Stratford
Hawera
Waipukurau Woodville
Reefton
Greymouth Hokitika
Motukarara Timaru
Kurow
Oamaru
Waimate
Omakau
Winton
Gore 

The proceeds from those tracks will give sweet fuck all,  if Avondale can’t be sold. 

Rotorua the exception. 

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8 hours ago, hedley said:

Well, nearly 150 posts and still no one has commented on the Elephant in the room..that being the City of Suits that have been amassed by NZTR and NZ Racing and the T.A.B.

When will you all learn that these cling-ons are suffocating the industry's coffers.

Clearly, Messara has not had this pointed out to him judging by the 17 point plan divulged last evening.

Just another Mickey Mouse outfit that will result in NZ's racing devolving into Big Business's control..that's Australis not NZ's

Hedley, the costs of operation of the Racing Board have tipped the industry into the position it now finds itself. I believe the Messara Report needs to be implemented in the most part, but there will be flexibility along the way to get the desired outcome.

However, when you hear John Allen stating that a consideration of using an offshore supplier for betting is worthy of consideration (on National radio news at 11am) you have complete confirmation that the Govt employee he was and will always be, has absolutely no idea what he is doing. He wouldn’t be able to empty his boot appropriately at the local recycling centre.

The industry has to adopt change to move forward, the assumptions of the report will be put to the test, as they should, but, and it is a huge but, we have to accept the inevitable, change is required. Clubs need to merge, but the tier system will work, as it does around the world.

Get on with it.

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3 minutes ago, Insider said:

The proceeds from those tracks will give sweet fuck all,  if Avondale can’t be sold. 

Rotorua the exception. 

Exactly but it'll make the big boys feel good and they can talk about how stakes are going to double on the back of this.

It amazes me the number of high profile persons who are on board with this, its going to go as good as the last time they had some $ to spend and sent up the top of the chain and ignored the base of the industry.

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Listening to some of the fish heads Its seems that many of the problems with NZ Racing have been caused by the small clubs who must sell their assets and gift the proceeds to the industry  as reparation for being leeches on the industry over a long period.

The real truth is that the big clubs such as Trentham who set some sort of record by going bust twice in a few years (as Wellington and then Race) are the real bludgers and reading this morning's Dom Post the CEO of Trentham has the cheek to pontificate about the small Clubs and he is lining up with his hand out for more bludging   

 

 

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11 hours ago, John Clydesdale said:

Hedley, the costs of operation of the Racing Board have tipped the industry into the position it now finds itself. I believe the Messara Report needs to be implemented in the most part, but there will be flexibility along the way to get the desired outcome.

However, when you hear John Allen stating that a consideration of using an offshore supplier for betting is worthy of consideration (on National radio news at 11am) you have complete confirmation that the Govt employee he was and will always be, has absolutely no idea what he is doing. He wouldn’t be able to empty his boot appropriately at the local recycling centre.

The industry has to adopt change to move forward, the assumptions of the report will be put to the test, as they should, but, and it is a huge but, we have to accept the inevitable, change is required. Clubs need to merge, but the tier system will work, as it does around the world.

Get on with it.

The problem is John that nowhere in the Messarra report does it have a plan to increase gambling sales / revenue......so how can the model work....it’s just more of the same tired shite from the old pale male set who’ve put us in the predicament we’re in.

The only two salient points I resonate with in that entire report are the abolition of independent directors on the NZRB, they’ve made that entity constipated and dysfunctional, and secondly, if they outsource the Trackside media we might get a better / slicker class of editorial and infotainment show and entertainment package.

 

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9 minutes ago, bloke said:

Listening to some of the fish heads Its seems that many of the problems with NZ Racing have been caused by the small clubs who must sell their assets and gift the proceeds to the industry  as reparation for being leeches on the industry over a long period.

The real truth is that the big clubs such as Trentham who set some sort of record by going bust twice in a few years (as Wellington and then Race) are the real bludgers and reading this morning's Dom Post the CEO of Trentham has the cheek to pontificate about the small Clubs and he is lining up with his hand out for more bludging   

 

 

Yep they are all lining up for a bit of the pie, the same guys that have put this industry in the state it is today, now they'll get another with someone else money.

If this proceeds you've got to wonder whose advising Peters on what amounts to daylight robbery.

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6 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

The problem is John that nowhere in the Messarra report does it have a plan to increase gambling sales / revenue......so how can the model work....it’s just more if the same tired shite from the old pale male set who’ve put us in the predicament we’re in.

The only two salient points I resonate with in that entire report are the abolition of independent directors on the NZRB, they’ve made that entity constipated and dysfunctional, and secondly, if they outsource the Trackside media we might get a better / slicker class of editorial and infotainment show and entertainment package.

 

That's exactly what all the suckers have gripped on to , double the stakes that all they want to hear double the stakes, put it in a nice little table in the report and its going to happen , how who knows not to mention how is it sustainable in the long term.

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12 hours ago, tripple alliance said:

Gore not playing the game .

A couple of years ago a committeeman from another club told me this would happen to their asset  if their club was ever forced to sell .

"If we can't race here, we'll disband, sell our assets and give the money to the Gore community," Gore Racing Club president Justine Abernethy said.

 

gore original constitution stated land and assets have to be returned to local council but messara report sez new laws to enable to legal confiscation of clubs will be passed in parliament

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Reading some of the stuff online, when looking at outsourcing of gambling to an overseas operator, consideration needs to be given to the perceptions this will feed to the public about punting. The general public might see it as a sell out of sovereignty and look at gambling less favourably.

 

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I dont understand IF Avondale cant be sold off as it is a greenbelt why not sell Ellerslie AND Counties and make Avondale a state of the art facility, Auckland has the population if its done well to support a state of the art venue. Avondale everyone agrees is the best surface in the region why not work with what you can not with pie in the sky numbers that cant be achieved and will only lead to more tears later.JMO

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37 minutes ago, gazza123 said:

gore original constitution stated land and assets have to be returned to local council but messara report sez new laws to enable to legal confiscation of clubs will be passed in parliament

I doubt they can rewrite the Act in any way that overrides the provisions of any other Act, notably the Inc. Societies and Charitable Trusts Acts in the case of most racing clubs. I think they could however refuse to grant registration or dates to clubs if they don't agree to race at another course.

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53 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:

I dont understand IF Avondale cant be sold off as it is a greenbelt why not sell Ellerslie AND Counties and make Avondale a state of the art facility, Auckland has the population if its done well to support a state of the art venue. Avondale everyone agrees is the best surface in the region why not work with what you can not with pie in the sky numbers that cant be achieved and will only lead to more tears later.JMO

Because all the content in this report is derived from blokes in suits with NO idea about horses, horse welfare, track surfaces or track safety.

As I said earlier this entire report is sourced from tired old fat stale males with little or no idea about the “actual Racing”.

It’s like the synthetic tracks component.....who bets on synthetic tracks ?....I’ve seen no evidence they’re an attractive betting proposition....on the other hand Strathayr seems immensely popular globally and very reliable.

We have the resources to build six Strathayr tracks nationwide, but no, these retards think they can sub in some shite dirt based option that’ll generate no revenue ( granted it’ll mean less cancellations ) and take us nowhere in terms of industry progress.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

Because all the content in this report is derived from blokes in suits with NO idea about horses, horse welfare, track surfaces or track safety.

As I said earlier this entire report is sourced from tired old fat stale males with little or no idea about the “actual Racing”.

It’s like the synthetic tracks component.....who bets on synthetic tracks ?....I’ve seen no evidence they’re an attractive betting proposition....on the other hand Strathayr seems immensely popular globally and very reliable.

We have the resources to build six Strathayr tracks nationwide, but no, these retards think they can sub in some shite dirt based option that’ll generate no revenue ( granted it’ll mean less cancellations ) and take us nowhere in terms of industry progress.

 

 

I doubt anyone has had that conversation with Peters Leo...to explain the differences and advantages. Someone needs to.

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15 minutes ago, drewandjo said:

there is no mention in the report about what sort of synthetic track they are proposing so once again P4P jumps the gun

Stop stirring there is synthetic has been mentioned many times not strathayr as most would like..Reefton is a good spot for you i would suggest...and I think you know what I mean.cheers. Its a good thread dont come here to try and ruin it just because you have nobody to talk to.:rcf-shocked-3:

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