Maximus 429 Report post Posted June 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Red Rum said: Affirmed had Alydar Black Caviar had Hay List Frankel had Excelebration Winx had Hartnell. Take all those champions away how good would the other four horses records look. Hit nail on head there about accelerator jammed on , was going quicker than the fighter jets at the bases nearby . and Secretariat had Sham Red Rum 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted June 3, 2019 11 hours ago, weasel57 said: eating humble pie today Berri? LOL No not really. The form assessment in the Derby Trial was what it was. You can only assess everything that's presented and the rating of 120 for a Derby winner is as I thought. Something's got to win the Derby and it was his turn. His form was exposed and he's been rated equivalent to a Happy Clapper. The purist in me likes to see a Derby winner at 125 or greater. It'll be interesting to see what happens when he hits the older horses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus 429 Report post Posted June 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Berri said: No not really. The form assessment in the Derby Trial was what it was. You can only assess everything that's presented and the rating of 120 for a Derby winner is as I thought. Something's got to win the Derby and it was his turn. His form was exposed and he's been rated equivalent to a Happy Clapper. The purist in me likes to see a Derby winner at 125 or greater. It'll be interesting to see what happens when he hits the older horses. I've had a look at the Oaks on youtube ...seems the winner simply had the most economical trip and best ride but isnt the best horse in the race? Ryan Moore copping some flak for going too soon... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted June 4, 2019 3 hours ago, weasel57 said: I've had a look at the Oaks on youtube ...seems the winner simply had the most economical trip and best ride but isnt the best horse in the race? Ryan Moore copping some flak for going too soon... Like Cross Counter she kicked off career on sand in back end December maiden at Wolverhampton. Finished well back but no problems since then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted June 4, 2019 On 6/3/2019 at 10:46 AM, weasel57 said: eating humble pie today Berri? LOL No not really. The form assessment in the Derby Trial was what it was. You can only assess everything that's presented and the rating of 120 for a Derby winner is as I thought. Something's got to win the Derby and it was his turn. His form was exposed and he's been rated equivalent to a Happy Clapper. The purist in me likes to see a Derby winner at 125 or greater. It'll be interesting to see what happens when he hits the older horses. The seriously good horse is Sottsass, the winner of the French Derby. I know how good Persian King is (didn't quite get the trip) but this horse made him look pedestrian. Siyouni....what a good sire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoopa 281 Report post Posted June 4, 2019 Was impressive Berri!Also his win on soft ground before hand and winning the Derby on unusually quick ground for the French ,was a great effort.I wouldn't give up on P K (a gutsy run)as I thought the ride was pretty average being posted 3 and 4 wide for most of the race and then ask to go and win it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted June 4, 2019 Sottsass broke the course record Swoopa 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus 429 Report post Posted June 4, 2019 The pedigree of Sottsass below ...French Derby but still all that Galileo and Sadler's Wells blood in there. Impressive. https://www.pedigreequery.com/sottsass Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rum 1,833 Report post Posted June 5, 2019 7 hours ago, weasel57 said: The pedigree of Sottsass below ...French Derby but still all that Galileo and Sadler's Wells blood in there. Impressive. https://www.pedigreequery.com/sottsass Winning Ways Queensland Oaks winner Saturday , bred as AVD was by Orpendale which I understand is a Coolmore offshoot . Out of Skip Along trained to win 12 furlong maiden at Newmarket by John Gosden for Coolmore out of two starts . Skip Along you've guessed it by Galileo . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
