TimTimTimbo 227 Report post Posted November 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: Sad he was never given a chance to be the the REAL LAZARUS.... very poorly managed in my humble opinion. I agree with ya there Mate! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,231 Report post Posted November 2, 2018 Hey Timbo, thanks for the news, your not wrong, but there was mention in an earlier report that he may mix racing with Stud duties, kinda depends on patronage by mares up there I would say.....totally agree Scoobs that record was there for the takin by The Champ if given half a chance by those who shoulda known better... Cheers Iraklis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted November 3, 2018 From US Trotting site: Lazarus N to stand at Deo Volente Farms in 2019 November 2, 2018, by Bob Marks Lazarus N, the son of Bettor’s Delight-Bethany from Down Under, will stand stud for 2019 at Deo Volente Farms in Flemington, N.J., it was jointly announced by Mike Gulotta of Deo Volente and Duncan Taylor of Taylor Made Sales and Stallions, owner of Lazarus N. Further details as to stud fee and syndication information will be announced as they become available. Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTimTimbo 227 Report post Posted November 9, 2018 Lazarus stallion share sells at sales today for $50,000 972 Lazarus N Ss Urie Byler, Middlefield, Oh, Usa $50,000 C, Blk, Stallion Share - Hunterton Sales Agency, Agent Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,231 Report post Posted November 9, 2018 Hey Timbo, how interested do you think they are in him as a stallion prospect there in USA? have you heard any talk so far from any prospective mare owners there? Cheers Iraklis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamour 673 Report post Posted November 9, 2018 I think a lot of horses bred in the USA are bred by the big farms and smaller independent breeders are not as prominent as they are here. Laz owners will put a number of their own mares to him to give him his chance in the USA market. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stables 577 Report post Posted November 9, 2018 How many shares are being sold at $50,000 and what entitlement does that give you? Iraklis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,231 Report post Posted November 9, 2018 http://theblackbook.com/assets/2018/ped/972.pdf Try the link above it has all details on the auction etc....hopefully I got it right when I copied it to here, otherwise google HUNTERTON SALES AGENCY Lot. 927 all dets come up under there..... Cheers Iraklis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,869 Report post Posted November 28, 2018 Maybe it was the reason he never really gave the horse a chance.... He is on Top, So Why is Jimmy Takter Walking Away 49324 Monday, November 26, 2018 at 4:28 pm | Back to: Shared News, Today's Edition Updated: November 26, 2018 at 6:48 pm Previous Story | Next Story Jimmy Takter By Bill Finley Jimmy Takter dabbled one time with a Thoroughbred he helped break named It’s Like This (Ascot Knight), he’ll watch the GI Kentucky Derby and he’ll tell you how much he admires Wayne Lukas. But this is not a Thoroughbred horse racing story. Actually, it’s not even a story about harness racing, the sport Takter has dominated almost since the day the trainer arrived from Sweden in 1982. It’s about horsemanship, excellence, an unmatched competitive drive, about someone who realized there is more to life than racing and a decision that shocked the Standardbred world. Just 58 and still far and away the top trainer in the harness game, Takter will start his last horse Thursday at Dover Downs when he sends out Thinkbig Dreambig (Bettor’s Delight) in the Progress Pace. His stable will officially shut down Saturday. His horses will be divided between his top assistant Per Engblom and his daughter Nancy Johannsson, already a top trainer herself. Within a day or two, he will be off to Australia and New Zealand with his wife, Christina, to vacation. “I felt like I had to do this,” he said. “I had to work harder and harder to motivate myself and you get drained. I just felt I cannot do it at that same level I had been doing it. If I can’t do it at the highest level, I don’t want to do it, and with the way I feel right now I can’t do that. I want to be on top. That’s how I am. Some people say maybe you should have 10 or 15 horses, but that’s not me. I want to have full action or no action.” Takter was never one for conventional wisdom, and that’s among the reasons he was so good. Very few Thoroughbred trainers ever retire. They spend their last days on Earth at the barn. And for a Thoroughbred trainer to leave the sport with a barn full of championship caliber horses is absolutely unheard of. But Takter refused to let the sport dictate his life. He was no longer happy doing what he was doing, and that’s the only reason he needed to retire. “I never allowed myself to have any hobbies,” he said. “I never allowed myself to have any time off. I was just a working dog. That can get you a little messed up in your head. If you don’t win, you become miserable. Life is short and I want to enjoy it 100%.” Jimmy Takter is more than a good trainer. While comparing harness racing to Thoroughbred racing isn’t an apples-to-apples type thing, you can make a compelling case that he is the most gifted horseman in America today. “He’s in a class by himself as far as a trainer and a businessman in his profession,” said Breeders’ Cup Chairman Fred Hertrich, who is a prominent breeder and owner in both sports. “Nobody outworks Jimmy, nobody out thinks Jimmy, nobody is more innovative than Jimmy. He is a credit to the game, himself and his family. He’s done it as well as anybody ever has and anybody ever will. The drive that he has to excel is remarkable, and he is his own worst critic. Jimmy Takter hates to lose and blames himself when he does. You can’t say enough good things about Jimmy Takter.” He’s won 34 Breeders Crown races, has been named Trainer of the Year six times, more than any other trainer. He’s won the Hambletonian four times. He took Moni Maker (Speedy Crown) all over the world and won arguably the top two trotting races on the globe with her, the Prix d’Amerique in France and the Elitlopp in Sweden. But having won virtually every important race in the sport can be a problem, at least Takter sees it that way. After a while, the thrill just is not the same. “I’m happy for Wayne Lukas that he can still do what he does at his age and I’m happy for the people that can keep doing it forever,” Takter said. “That’s not me. I’m sure if you walk up to Todd Pletcher, who is a lot younger than me, or Baffert, who is about the same age I am, they’ll probably admit they, too, get the sense of deja vu I get. You find yourself in a rat cage and chasing something that is not there. Yes, it’s a thrill to win the Kentucky Derby, but for someone like Baffert I bet that thrill gets a little smaller every time.” When Takter came to the U.S., harness racing was much different from the sport it is today, a sport where it sometimes seems like the only reason it still has a pulse is because of its marriage to slot machines. Back in the mid-eighties, people still came to the track and a night at the Meadowlands was electric. Never fearful of speaking his mind, Takter blames industry leaders for the shape harness racing is in now and says if the game had more life he may not be walking away. “I don’t like to criticize our sport, but harness racing in general, and Thoroughbreds, as well, they are not the same as they used to be,” he said. “Especially harness racing. I came here 36 years ago and that was a helluva different ball game then than it is today. It was more glamorous, there was more status behind it. The Thoroughbreds still have that. Harness racing is mismanaged. We’ve been taking our customers and our owners for granted. We’ve been taking the trainers, their staff, everyone around us for granted. After all the mismanagement and with how long it has been going on, harness racing is fighting an uphill battle. It won’t matter if the Meadowlands gets a casino. Yes, they will race for more money and maybe more people will breed more horses, but it won’t bring the excitement and the glamour back to the sport. Anyone who has been around this sport for a while knows exactly what I am talking about. It used be a lot more exciting. Now it’s just become a job.” As far as why so few Thoroughbred trainers retire, Takter wondered if they can afford to do so. He says he has not gotten rich off his day rate or the commissions he has earned from winning races, but from developing stallions. Takter and his wife often own 20 or 30% of the horses he trains. He estimates that during his career, he has developed between 50 and 60 stallions, many of whom have gone on to become some of the best sires in the sport. “I’ve been a very good businessman,” he said. “I’ve owned a part in a lot of these great horses myself. Financially, I got myself in a very good position. People think he was a great trainer, but it’s expensive to live and even when you win a lot of races, the commission doesn’t always add up to that much money. Most of the stallions I developed, I was a part owner of. Financially I’m set for the rest of my life” He will not completely rule out coming back some day, but doesn’t seem the least bit excited by that prospect. He has a house in Florida he will spend time at, will travel and says he will continue to spend time at his New Jersey farm, where he has a house. He says he’ll be glad to lend Engblom and Johansson a hand if they ever need one. Most of all, he just wants to enjoy the rest of his life. “This year, I knew it was my last year,” he said. “So I might have felt a little more relaxed about things and took things more on the easy side. Over the year, some people have told me that I seem happier.” Not a subscriber? Click here to sign up for the daily PDF or alerts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSprat 947 Report post Posted November 28, 2018 And there's the reason Lazarus was rushed into a US campaign, and pushed to keep going .... the horse wasn't quite ready, but the trainer was running out of time! Iraklis and john legend 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,231 Report post Posted November 28, 2018 Well all I can say is what a bloody dick! he may have just ruined one of our greatest and for what? and worst of all he really couldn't give a shit, a 'horseman' would!......FFS!!! WAFA!!!! Cheers Iraklis john legend 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiftingGround 8 Report post Posted November 28, 2018 Maybe, then again the new owners may have insisted on the horse competing. Could have shifted Laz to another barn. Those battles with McWicked may have secured his opportunity to the breeding future in the northern hemisphere otherwise his purchase could have been a big washout. 'Ruined" hmm, the intention was probably not to race next year anyway and just make sure he secured a stud career, just guessing based on the actions. Southern hemisphere racing doesn't count for much up there, champion down under or not. Not saying I agree with how they treated Laz, just there is an alternative view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,231 Report post Posted November 29, 2018 Harness mate, what would you call racin a horse with a well documented illness? and even takter said 'perhaps we should not have raced him' gee nah yuh think, to where he fails miserably and is then scoped and found to have lungs full of mucus and blood! in takters own words 'Laz is not a bleeder he is simply fightin a flu' but the idiot still races him?.....regardless of whether the intention was to race Laz next year or not, how can racin a sick horse in The Breeders given the monumental failure, ever hope to enhance his breeding career up there now anyway? Those battles with McWicked would have more than secured his stud career, yes! if The Champ was fightin fit! and they were damn lucky his mighty heart and Champion will to win, carried him through the races he did win, point is he was still crook, takter knew it! now Laz has had a bleed! and should his stud career not blossom what's left? racin?! whether they; takter, his owners, like it or not he'll have to head back to the track, only this time, as a bleeder! RUINED! The Champ never stood a fricken chance and I for one am disgusted with takter and his bullshit......that's my alternative view Forgot to ask what do you think this whole sorry fiasco has done to his stud career up there? I'm sure its gained him heaps of breeders beatin down the doors to go to him, mate yuh dreamin..... Cheers Iraklis john legend and harewood 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 743 Report post Posted November 29, 2018 The sale of the breeding share gives opportunity to breed 1 mare to him each year in USA . lets have a guess at stud fee now the Takter" managed " to reduce it somewhat. Remember also the owners are not harness Racing breeders but are thoroughbred mega breeders/racers....lots of competition in the breeding barns in USA at present with subsequent reduction in stud expectation. My guess is around the $US15000.00 fee but could range from $6000 to $16000. given level of oppn. eg sweet lou full and closed at 12500 in usa.Their onlyhopenow is to purchase good mares and wait for 2 year olds to arrive If it was my laz would stand him at 9000.00 to give him numbers to start. Dad Bettors Delight standa at 15000 as does the brilliant new sire Capt Treacherous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSprat 947 Report post Posted November 29, 2018 My guess would be that he'd struggle to get much support above a $5000 fee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSprat 947 Report post Posted November 30, 2018 They've opened him up $10k in the US. I think he'll struggle to get big numbers in that price range, but I guess time will tell. Iraklis and john legend 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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