Trump 2,741 Report post Posted July 19, 2018 I see in the news the passing away of Don Grubb. He was a real character and a good trainer. A number of his good horses were mentioned in Racing News but one not mentioned was a horse called MONASTIC. I remember the horse being in work for about 2 continuos years and I asked Don when he was going to give it a spell. Don replied “Because he’s like me - Monastic doesn’t like spelling”. The horse won quite a few races for Don, mainly around the CD area. Don was in Feilding, but I think he was originally training at Wanganui (Whanganui for all you lefties!). RIP. THE TORCH 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted July 19, 2018 I remember watching Monastic race at Wanganui (note the correct spelling) as a kid. He was a Wanganui track specialist and I always got someone to put some of my pocket money on him when he lined up there. Another pretty handy one he had which was not mentioned was Tono Bungay. porky 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted July 19, 2018 Trump Monastic raced 77 times for 15 wins. He won his 2yo debut at Waverley on the 26/4/67 ridden by Ray Cleaver. He won his first four races in a row as a 6yo. 22/8/70 Foxton ridden by Herb Rauhihi he dead heated with Cantostan ridden by Noel Eastwood. 29/8/70 Wanganui ridden by Bruce Marsh 5/9/70 Wanganui ridden by Bruce Marsh. 26/9/70 Otaki ridden by Gary Phillips. rdytdy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted July 19, 2018 Ted yes Monastic won 8 races at Wanganui including the Wanganui Gold Cup on 13/2/71 ridden by Bill Skelton. He also won twice at Hawera and twice at Waverley including the 1969 Waverley Cup ridden by Bob Skelton. He also had wins at Foxton, Otaki and Trentham where he recorded his biggest win the 1970 Harcourt Stakes ridden by Maurice Campbell. rdytdy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,719 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 Gatcombe’s Pride used to love the mud and won plenty! porky 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 Baz Gatcombe’s Pride won 15 races between 1200m and 2200m and $281,835. He won two Cornwall’s at Ellerslie and the Bay of Plenty Racing Club Trophy Handicap. He won on all three days at a Trentham July meeting as well. THE TORCH 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloppite 313 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 22 hours ago, Trump said: but I think he was originally training at Wanganui (Whanganui for all you lefties!) I don't think you have to be a leftie to be comfortable with Whanganui. You just have to not be a bigot. Whanganui? Wanganui? Each to their own! bazach, Memphis2 and barryb 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis2 1,078 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 Good one Klop. I'm comfortable with Whanganui. Lived their for years. Lefties Wh Righties W who cares. It's the place with the river . Sometimes upside down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis2 1,078 Report post Posted July 21, 2018 Hi Gub have you any stats on a good horse from the 80s called Greatness. Good horse who always tried his best especially on soft going. Cheers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpole 483 Report post Posted July 21, 2018 Sorry fellas its Wanganui Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted July 21, 2018 Memphis2 Greatness was bred in 1979 by Great Wall out of Tiki Filou a Le Filou mare. He raced 67 times for 7 wins 13 seconds and 9 thirds. He had three starts at 2 trained by Bruce and Ray Wallace finishing 4th at Avondale then 3rd again at Avondale. He won his third start on the 30/7/82 at Ruakaka ridden by Jim Cassidy from Tidestemmer and Bruce Compton and King Red and Toby Autridge. From 3 on he was trained by Ray Peake. Other 6 wins as follows- 5/11/83 Pukekohe Earl Harrison 24/12/83 Evening Standard Cup Awapuni Roy McKay 25/8/84 Ellerslie Earl Harrison 13/11/84 Paeroa Earl Harrison 31/8/85 Tim Rogers Stakes Wanganui Earl Harrison 14/6/86 Te Awamutu Cup Earl Harrison Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis2 1,078 Report post Posted July 21, 2018 Excellent Gub. I was there for a few of those wins. He had a couple of wins in Oz too. Rosehill and Doomben. Cheers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted July 21, 2018 15 hours ago, Kloppite said: I don't think you have to be a leftie to be comfortable with Whanganui. You just have to not be a bigot. Whanganui? Wanganui? Each to their own! In that case, in future, I’ll phonetically pronounce it FONGANEWEY. The Bigots surely won’t disagree? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloke 1,232 Report post Posted July 22, 2018 Happy to call it Whanganui just to wind up that racist Maori hater, Mike laws. hedley and THE TORCH 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted July 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Two questions, anyone know where Kevin Grubb ( son of ) is now ? Second question, a genuine question, I’m not trying to wind anyone up, but if the Maori had no written language, and the Europeans accepted their phonetic translation to Wanganui, not an Anglo name like Westminster, no, a Maori word in Wanganui, why then have we now had a WHanganui hoisted on us, and why wasn’t it originally spelt Fonganui if that was the correct pronunciation ? Just asking, thanks. same as whale or is it a fail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponderosa8 1,321 Report post Posted July 22, 2018 Did Don train Tanalyse.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,683 Report post Posted July 22, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 9:25 AM, Memphis2 said: Good one Klop. I'm comfortable with Whanganui. Lived their for years. Lefties Wh Righties W who cares. It's the place with the river . Sometimes upside down. Why not ask the river? It was there long before the natives. It now has "Human status" so surely has an opinion after millions of years conversing with the plants and animals. PC lunacy and Maori (some) appeasement reigns. Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloke 1,232 Report post Posted July 22, 2018 The final ruling as I understand it is that either Wanganui or Whanganui are vaild. Same applies with Mount Egmont or Mount Taranaki. I really did not care but Mike Laws lost the plot so I go with Whanganui. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted July 22, 2018 Bloke, overwhelmingly the people of Wanganui did not want it's name changed to Whanganui. In 2009 Laws campaigned for the spelling of Wanganui to remain unchanged after local Maori, Te Runanga o Tupoho, petitioned the New Zealand Geographic Board to change to the Maori spelling of 'Whanganui' with an 'h'. The council consequently endorsed his actions and a 2006 referendum showed 82% support for the retention of the traditional spelling, which dates from 1837 (when "wh" was not yet recognised as a distinct consonant in written Māori). A referendum concluded on 22 May 2009 found 77% support for the status quo. Over 19,000 Wanganui citizens, 61% of the electoral population, voted. During September/October 2009, the dispute escalated when Laws was accused of "bullying" school pupils who had written to him, in Maori, asking that he cease opposition to the Maori spelling. He wrote back that they should concentrate on "the real issues affecting Maoridom, especially child abuse and child murder". Most mainstream internet opinion polls, though (TV3 News, YahooXtra, The New Zealand Hearald), sided with the outspoken Mayor. And two scientific public opinion polls, undertaken by UMR Insight and TVNZ News in October 2009, also recorded strong national majorities in favour of the status quo. On 18 December 2009, Lands Minister Maurice Williamson visited Wanganui to deliver the Crown's decision on the spelling of Whanganui City. It was that both spellings – Wanganui and Whanganui would be formally gazetted, but that Crown agencies would adopt the Whanganui spelling. The Whanganui council, local newspapers and most local businesses have indicated that they will continue to adopt the 'h'-less spelling. The legislation to mandate the change has still not been introduced to Parliament after the Green Party objected to its inclusion in a 2010 omnibus parliamentary bill. As an aside the Wanganui Chronicle is NZ's oldest newspaper. dock leaf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted July 22, 2018 Love or hate Mr Laws at least he voiced his opinion and his opinion was well researched .Sometimes the truth hurts and that’s what he’s despised for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
porky 900 Report post Posted July 22, 2018 On 7/20/2018 at 10:14 AM, rdytdy said: I remember watching Monastic race at Wanganui (note the correct spelling) as a kid. He was a Wanganui track specialist and I always got someone to put some of my pocket money on him when he lined up there. Another pretty handy one he had which was not mentioned was Tono Bungay. On 7/20/2018 at 6:26 PM, Baz (NZ) said: Gatcombe’s Pride used to love the mud and won plenty! Yeah I was probably supposed to be studying for school C or something instead of the Turf Digest in those times. As soon as I saw Don Grubb...Feilding sprung to mind. Nana and Pops would take me to the races and they were big on their Daily Doubles... Tono Bungay with its 101010 formline and Gatcombes Prides liking for muddy tracks ensured they came away with some nice divs from memory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloke 1,232 Report post Posted July 23, 2018 15 hours ago, puha said: Love or hate Mr Laws at least he voiced his opinion and his opinion was well researched .Sometimes the truth hurts and that’s what he’s despised for. Usually a Mayor promotes his / her the City. In Law's case he always was doom and gloom.He constantly went on about gangs in Whanganui and the press were only too happy to quote his rants. Trouble was visitor numbers to Whanganui declined at an alarning rate because potential visitors were concerned about the gangs that Laws kept going on about. He knew his days were numbered and moved south to Timaru and since then we have not heard about the gangs in Whanganui. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloke 1,232 Report post Posted July 23, 2018 16 hours ago, rdytdy said: Bloke, overwhelmingly the people of Wanganui did not want it's name changed to Whanganui. In 2009 Laws campaigned for the spelling of Wanganui to remain unchanged after local Maori, Te Runanga o Tupoho, petitioned the New Zealand Geographic Board to change to the Maori spelling of 'Whanganui' with an 'h'. The council consequently endorsed his actions and a 2006 referendum showed 82% support for the retention of the traditional spelling, which dates from 1837 (when "wh" was not yet recognised as a distinct consonant in written Māori). A referendum concluded on 22 May 2009 found 77% support for the status quo. Over 19,000 Wanganui citizens, 61% of the electoral population, voted. During September/October 2009, the dispute escalated when Laws was accused of "bullying" school pupils who had written to him, in Maori, asking that he cease opposition to the Maori spelling. He wrote back that they should concentrate on "the real issues affecting Maoridom, especially child abuse and child murder". Most mainstream internet opinion polls, though (TV3 News, YahooXtra, The New Zealand Hearald), sided with the outspoken Mayor. And two scientific public opinion polls, undertaken by UMR Insight and TVNZ News in October 2009, also recorded strong national majorities in favour of the status quo. On 18 December 2009, Lands Minister Maurice Williamson visited Wanganui to deliver the Crown's decision on the spelling of Whanganui City. It was that both spellings – Wanganui and Whanganui would be formally gazetted, but that Crown agencies would adopt the Whanganui spelling. The Whanganui council, local newspapers and most local businesses have indicated that they will continue to adopt the 'h'-less spelling. The legislation to mandate the change has still not been introduced to Parliament after the Green Party objected to its inclusion in a 2010 omnibus parliamentary bill. As an aside the Wanganui Chronicle is NZ's oldest newspaper. I see that you are still cuttiing and pasting Ted. You forgot to cut and paste the bit about Laws being forced to resign from Parliament. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,683 Report post Posted July 23, 2018 25 minutes ago, bloke said: since then we have not heard about the gangs in Whanganui. Maybe they have disbanded Bloke and the ex-members all work honestly in Pak'N'Save or Countdown in Wanganui At least Laws shone some light on the scourge of gangs and if there is one thing gangs do not like it is illumination. You seem to favour the "mushroom" environment when confronting societal ills. P.S. Laws reminds me somewhat of that fellow travelling under the P4P banner-- intelligent, articulate, erudite, and not afraid to court controversy in search of positive outcomes. (I know I may face a backlash with the comparison but as the Greeks and Romans knew that is the chance taken in a forum ) dock leaf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, bloke said: I see that you are still cuttiing and pasting Ted. You forgot to cut and paste the bit about Laws being forced to resign from Parliament. That has no relevance re the change of name issue Bloke so why would I mention it. Something blown up by political enemies which he was exonerated by three official investigations, by the police, Serious Fraud Office and the Auditor-General with all three finding he had no case to answer. puha 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...