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NZB May Sale today

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1 hour ago, BruceL said:

You mention you think the fillies are no good but this years sales they still sold for $180k, $220k, $420k, $500k, $750k, $975k so buyers are still keen on the quality

There is no doubt the fillies haven't quite matched the colts but to say they are no good is pretty far fetched, 

From 93 female runners he has had 50 winners which includes 2 listed winners, 3 G1 Oaks placegetters and another 4 stakes placegetters, so 9.7% stakes horses to runners.

 

Do the fillies have as good a record as the boys?, clearly not.

But they definitely are not no good!, Admittedly he has work to do (but I can remember when the call was the O'Reilly colts were no good, the Montjeu fillies no good, the High Chaparral fillies no good etc, etc )

I am picking the quality of fillies will include from next season as thats when his numbers and quality of mares really picked up. Apart from his current weanlings all the rest of his progeny have been off service fees between $8-15k so scope for improvement.

You'd surely have to say the top  priced fillies were bought more on their female bloodlines or who they are related to than the fact they were Tavistocks. i.e. sister to Werther, Diamond Like family, Special Diamond etc. perhaps in comparison to the colts.

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49 minutes ago, Huey said:

You'd surely have to say the top  priced fillies were bought more on their female bloodlines or who they are related to than the fact they were Tavistocks. i.e. sister to Werther, Diamond Like family, Special Diamond etc. perhaps in comparison to the colts.

No doubt it has a part to play, but buyers would not be buying fillies that were 'no good' for that kind of money, they harbour serious racing ambitions and rightfully so.

They have massive residual value but are being brought to be racehorses first and foremost and have every chance to be competitive in Group races at 1600m and further especially within their age group. 

There is no doubt the colts have performed better than the fillies (not disputing that, facts don't lie)  but to say they are no good is very harsh when they are running at 9.7% stakes performers to runners. He just needs to get some photos on the wall instead of placings with the good Oaks/Group 3yo fillies he is producing (Milsean, Harlow Gold, Imperial Lass etc)

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1 hour ago, BruceL said:

Tavistock now has a Group winning mare in Tomelilla.

 

Amazing how Cinematic and Tomelilla were both catalogued for sale at May Karaka, and both suddenly stepping up big time on the track--maybe these neddies are smarter than we think!!

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2 hours ago, chevy86 said:

Amazing how Cinematic and Tomelilla were both catalogued for sale at May Karaka, and both suddenly stepping up big time on the track--maybe these neddies are smarter than we think!!

Tomelilla now a completely different proposition, was a mare with no blacktype, now a Group 3 winning Tavistock mare.

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19 hours ago, BruceL said:

Tavistock now has a Group winning mare in Tomelilla.

 

And perhaps that’s the key to Tavistock mares....they need PLENTY of time to mature, softer tracks and paddock trained..and people need to understand that when they buy them.  Not sure we will see any great change from that scenario in regards to future crops..

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16 minutes ago, La Zip said:

And perhaps that’s the key to Tavistock mares....they need PLENTY of time to mature, softer tracks and paddock trained..and people need to understand that when they buy them.  Not sure we will see any great change from that scenario in regards to future crops..

All have to be treated as individual’s obviously as Tavistock 3yo fillies have done a pretty good job in the Oaks type races and got black type on the board.

Not sure this one is paddock trained, it is trained by Baker/Forsman.

Tomelilla is from a slow maturing family, a cheap purchase ($15k) who is now a Group winner, Half sister to the smart horse Victor Hugo and full sister to Viktor Vegas (likes the soft tracks also)

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15 minutes ago, La Zip said:

And perhaps that’s the key to Tavistock mares....they need PLENTY of time to mature, softer tracks and paddock trained..and people need to understand that when they buy them.  Not sure we will see any great change from that scenario in regards to future crops..

Spot on, LZ re maturity, track, training methods etc ...

From my calcs, Tavistock females have won 24 races this season in NZ so far;

3 wins from 6yo; 10 from 5yo; 8 from 4yo; and 3 from 3yo fillies (Milseain, Cead Mile Failte and Fancy More).

Apart from Oaks-placed Milseain, Tavistock's best female performers in NZ are Tomelilla (mostly on a/c of Group 3 win yesterday, over $86k in stakes this year, $130k+ overall, Rating 83); Galaxy Miss (7 wins; over $120k, R88, Stakes placed); Night Nurse  (6 wins $120k, R83); others coming through the ranks are Zanyetta (3 wins) and Donna Anne Billy (winner yesterday and now 4 from 22 starts).

Strangely enough - and perhaps the exception that proves the rule  - a 4yo Tavistock mare, Rikki Tikki Tavi (R81), is Tavistock's highest earning female this season ($89k), having won  4 times, including 3 at Ellerslie over 1200m last summer, all on Good 3 tracks.

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