.... 226 Report post Posted May 11, 2018 49 minutes ago, Huey said: You'd surely have to say the top priced fillies were bought more on their female bloodlines or who they are related to than the fact they were Tavistocks. i.e. sister to Werther, Diamond Like family, Special Diamond etc. perhaps in comparison to the colts. No doubt it has a part to play, but buyers would not be buying fillies that were 'no good' for that kind of money, they harbour serious racing ambitions and rightfully so. They have massive residual value but are being brought to be racehorses first and foremost and have every chance to be competitive in Group races at 1600m and further especially within their age group. There is no doubt the colts have performed better than the fillies (not disputing that, facts don't lie) but to say they are no good is very harsh when they are running at 9.7% stakes performers to runners. He just needs to get some photos on the wall instead of placings with the good Oaks/Group 3yo fillies he is producing (Milsean, Harlow Gold, Imperial Lass etc) Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,693 Report post Posted May 11, 2018 I think he will get much better fillies in the coming years too... I would not mind buying one I found one I liked and give it to the right trainer seems to be part of the success to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted May 12, 2018 Tavistock now has a Group winning mare in Tomelilla. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,680 Report post Posted May 12, 2018 1 hour ago, BruceL said: Tavistock now has a Group winning mare in Tomelilla. Amazing how Cinematic and Tomelilla were both catalogued for sale at May Karaka, and both suddenly stepping up big time on the track--maybe these neddies are smarter than we think!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted May 12, 2018 2 hours ago, chevy86 said: Amazing how Cinematic and Tomelilla were both catalogued for sale at May Karaka, and both suddenly stepping up big time on the track--maybe these neddies are smarter than we think!! Tomelilla now a completely different proposition, was a mare with no blacktype, now a Group 3 winning Tavistock mare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted May 12, 2018 19 hours ago, BruceL said: Tavistock now has a Group winning mare in Tomelilla. And perhaps that’s the key to Tavistock mares....they need PLENTY of time to mature, softer tracks and paddock trained..and people need to understand that when they buy them. Not sure we will see any great change from that scenario in regards to future crops.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted May 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, La Zip said: And perhaps that’s the key to Tavistock mares....they need PLENTY of time to mature, softer tracks and paddock trained..and people need to understand that when they buy them. Not sure we will see any great change from that scenario in regards to future crops.. All have to be treated as individual’s obviously as Tavistock 3yo fillies have done a pretty good job in the Oaks type races and got black type on the board. Not sure this one is paddock trained, it is trained by Baker/Forsman. Tomelilla is from a slow maturing family, a cheap purchase ($15k) who is now a Group winner, Half sister to the smart horse Victor Hugo and full sister to Viktor Vegas (likes the soft tracks also) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weasel57 429 Report post Posted May 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, La Zip said: And perhaps that’s the key to Tavistock mares....they need PLENTY of time to mature, softer tracks and paddock trained..and people need to understand that when they buy them. Not sure we will see any great change from that scenario in regards to future crops.. Spot on, LZ re maturity, track, training methods etc ... From my calcs, Tavistock females have won 24 races this season in NZ so far; 3 wins from 6yo; 10 from 5yo; 8 from 4yo; and 3 from 3yo fillies (Milseain, Cead Mile Failte and Fancy More). Apart from Oaks-placed Milseain, Tavistock's best female performers in NZ are Tomelilla (mostly on a/c of Group 3 win yesterday, over $86k in stakes this year, $130k+ overall, Rating 83); Galaxy Miss (7 wins; over $120k, R88, Stakes placed); Night Nurse (6 wins $120k, R83); others coming through the ranks are Zanyetta (3 wins) and Donna Anne Billy (winner yesterday and now 4 from 22 starts). Strangely enough - and perhaps the exception that proves the rule - a 4yo Tavistock mare, Rikki Tikki Tavi (R81), is Tavistock's highest earning female this season ($89k), having won 4 times, including 3 at Ellerslie over 1200m last summer, all on Good 3 tracks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...