rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted March 31, 2018 You would have thought that the TAB should have refunded those punters who took Opie on their special option offered this morning at $2.20 to win the jockey's challenge today. Punters would have taken the bet based on what his list of rides were. That factor was considerably changed after not being able to make the weight on three key runners thereby making a mockery of the original bet. The TAB should use their discretion and as a mark of goodwill to those punters refund those bets under the option the TAB used. I believe under similar circumstances a punter a while ago who outlayed $10,000 in a similar bet on Opie was refunded. So why not here???? jack 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted March 31, 2018 38 minutes ago, rdytdy said: You would have thought that the TAB should have refunded those punters who took Opie on their special option offered this morning at $2.20 to win the jockey's challenge today. Punters would have taken the bet based on what his list of rides were. That factor was considerably changed after not being able to make the weight on three key runners thereby making a mockery of the original bet. The TAB should use their discretion and as a mark of goodwill to those punters refund those bets under the option the TAB used. I believe under similar circumstances a punter a while ago who outlayed $10,000 in a similar bet on Opie was refunded. So why not here???? Can you tell me why the mysterious punter was refunded? Many people think it was his agent but we will never know will we. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1MUE 1,877 Report post Posted March 31, 2018 51 minutes ago, rdytdy said: I believe under similar circumstances a punter a while ago who outlayed $10,000 in a similar bet on Opie was refunded. So why not here???? From memory the circumstances were different. I think on that previous occasion he was injured very early on (or became ill) and had to stand-down from all his mounts. Today he didn't relinquish all of his mounts - he still had rides on two relatively short favourites. Further, on Wednesday he was unable to ride at 57.5kgs - had to ride 0.5kgs over, so punters should have been wary with him accepting rides today at 56.5kgs. I see he has been suspended for 3 weeks and fined $2,000. I feel for the guy but agree you can't have a situation where punters continue to get burnt. If he can't make the weight, don't accept the rides. Avantage at 55kgs in the KM a distant memory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted March 31, 2018 I have just been made aware he’s contracted to Te Akau so that would tale his agent out of the equation? Maybe with OP recent weight issues it was a dumb option put up by the TAB . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted March 31, 2018 7 hours ago, puha said: I have just been made aware he’s contracted to Te Akau so that would tale his agent out of the equation? Maybe with OP recent weight issues it was a dumb option put up by the TAB . 2 of the 3 were not Te Akau horses though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,868 Report post Posted March 31, 2018 11 hours ago, rdytdy said: You would have thought that the TAB should have refunded those punters who took Opie on their special option offered this morning at $2.20 to win the jockey's challenge today. Punters would have taken the bet based on what his list of rides were. That factor was considerably changed after not being able to make the weight on three key runners thereby making a mockery of the original bet. The TAB should use their discretion and as a mark of goodwill to those punters refund those bets under the option the TAB used. I believe under similar circumstances a punter a while ago who outlayed $10,000 in a similar bet on Opie was refunded. So why not here???? Bit harsh on those who backed the eventual winner though to have their odds slashed when they probably would have won anyhow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted March 31, 2018 14 minutes ago, We're Doomed said: Bit harsh on those who backed the eventual winner though to have their odds slashed when they probably would have won anyhow. The special option they put out yesterday morning was a stand alone option not affecting anything else. Black Kirrama and Kotare_Hunter 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbear1 10 Report post Posted March 31, 2018 13 hours ago, Tool no. 1 said: I have no sympathy. Bloody unprofessional and a poor look for the industry. Not to mention a real kick in the guts for those that took him in the jockeys challenge. Any one that backed him in the jockey challenge should of gotten a refund and new odds given for his 3 rides TAB sucks. A good way to lose punters! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,004 Report post Posted March 31, 2018 Memo Opie knockers When you bet on an option like the Jockeys Challege you should factor in the possibility that some jockeys may not be able to ride at the carded weight and either ride overweight or are stood down. No use grizzling-it is a case of punter beware. chelseacol and scooby3051 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbear1 10 Report post Posted March 31, 2018 18 minutes ago, gubellini said: Memo Opie knockers When you bet on an option like the Jockeys Challege you should factor in the possibility that some jockeys may not be able to ride at the carded weight and either ride overweight or are stood down. No use grizzling-it is a case of punter beware. Not knocking Opie, the tab should of used discretion and refunded the jockey challenge bets,punters bet on having 6 chances not 3! rdytdy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 4 hours ago, rdytdy said: The special option they put out yesterday morning was a stand alone option not affecting anything else. Hence my earlier question. So in this instance the TAB pocket the lot as the only option was OP to win the challenge @ 2.20 ? No option to say OP would NOT win the challenge @ say 1.60 ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 17 minutes ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Hence my earlier question. So in this instance the TAB pocket the lot as the only option was OP to win the challenge @ 2.20 ? No option to say OP would NOT win the challenge @ say 1.60 ? Correct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, rdytdy said: Correct. Can anyone think of a better opportunity for the TAB to create some goodwill than offering refunds in this situation. rdytdy and oh dear me 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh dear me 5 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 19 hours ago, Tool no. 1 said: I have no sympathy. Bloody unprofessional and a poor look for the industry. Not to mention a real kick in the guts for those that took him in the jockeys challenge. gee! you are claiming that one of the very best jockeys to ever ride in nz is somehow Unprofessional!!! when he has been putting in a MASSIVE EFFORT to even being a Jockey!!! For Year on year on year! against great biological and mental struggles and still rides 100s of black type winners!!!! give yourself a slap and claim down! gubellini 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh dear me 5 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Can anyone think of a better opportunity for the TAB to create some goodwill than offering refunds in this situation. 130% correct! and to think how much extra revenue the likes of OP has delivered to this Industry! and some people wonder why some of us have some much bitter cynicism towards them! I stop betting with them through spite! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,099 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Can anyone think of a better opportunity for the TAB to create some goodwill than offering refunds in this situation. Goodwill?????, the TAB?????? Funniest post ever. Te Akau had to replace their Asian jockey too didn't they (Our Abbadean)? Appears someone's not really doing their homework very well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 1 hour ago, oh dear me said: gee! you are claiming that one of the very best jockeys to ever ride in nz is somehow Unprofessional!!! when he has been putting in a MASSIVE EFFORT to even being a Jockey!!! For Year on year on year! against great biological and mental struggles and still rides 100s of black type winners!!!! give yourself a slap and claim down! It's well documented that the risk of fatality is high when excessive effort is made to reduce weight quickly. Therefore by putting up fines and suspensions for failing to make the weight the industry is risking million dollar law suits. But it worries about owners watching their horse getting saddled up on questionable safety grounds. oh dear me 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh dear me 5 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 2 hours ago, slam dunk said: It's well documented that the risk of fatality is high when excessive effort is made to reduce weight quickly. Therefore by putting up fines and suspensions for failing to make the weight the industry is risking million dollar law suits. But it worries about owners watching their horse getting saddled up on questionable safety grounds. Yip! it's only a matter of time... 'over watering the tracks' will be another 'event' were it's probably going to happen also! At least 'those in power' now know this and are trying to err on the conservative side! Though they are still sending the little fellas around to prove the track is not safe! The gross, unhealthy wasting etc they choose to be blind to! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Dan 187 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 4 hours ago, oh dear me said: gee! you are claiming that one of the very best jockeys to ever ride in nz is somehow Unprofessional!!! when he has been putting in a MASSIVE EFFORT to even being a Jockey!!! For Year on year on year! against great biological and mental struggles and still rides 100s of black type winners!!!! give yourself a slap and claim down! Crack jockey Opie Bosson's career is in turmoil after he was charged with providing a urine sample for another jockey. New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing charged Bosson and Palmerston North jockey Bruce Herd after a tip-off led investigators to check the validity of one of the urine samples from random drug testing at a Waikato Racing Club meeting at Te Rapa on October 3. The Waikato Times understands Herd was asked to provide a urine sample but allegedly had Bosson provide one for him. Bosson and Herd could not to be contacted by Stuff.co.nz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh dear me 5 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Diver Dan said: Crack jockey Opie Bosson's career is in turmoil after he was charged with providing a urine sample for another jockey. New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing charged Bosson and Palmerston North jockey Bruce Herd after a tip-off led investigators to check the validity of one of the urine samples from random drug testing at a Waikato Racing Club meeting at Te Rapa on October 3. The Waikato Times understands Herd was asked to provide a urine sample but allegedly had Bosson provide one for him. Bosson and Herd could not to be contacted by Stuff.co.nz. showing some solidarity with his fellow worker! still one of the best ever riders this country has ever seen! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 I'm not sure solidarity is the best descriptor for what he got up do back then .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus 439 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 1 hour ago, oh dear me said: showing some solidarity with his fellow worker! still one of the best ever riders this country has ever seen! Can I add some clarity to this thread by letting other Cafers know that the urine sample requested was sought about 10 years ago... http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/674130/Top-jockeys-in-urine-switch-scandal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 Indeed ... and probably most are aware of that? ...it sure was a bit random the way it got thrown into the thread in the first place .... but maybe a response to someone mounting a case for OP to become a saint or get a knighthood for services to racing?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick 80 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 Opie not riding today by the looks either. Carded rides have all gone to other jockeys in last half hour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted April 1, 2018 .... the bare facts on NZTR; no explanation provided .... Meeting News Opie Bosson will not be riding at Rotorua Monday 2nd April Opie Bosson will not be riding at Rotorua Monday 2nd April Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...