Huey 2,037 Report post Posted March 20, 2018 Just an idea for the NZracing site I wonder if it's possible to Hyperlink the horses in their news articles to their Performance/Breeding Record on the NZracing site or at the very least have the breeding of the horse. Don't know if anyone else would find this useful and might not be possible but just a suggestion. Midget 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weasel57 429 Report post Posted March 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Huey said: Just an idea for the NZracing site I wonder if it's possible to Hyperlink the horses in their news articles to their Performance/Breeding Record on the NZracing site or at the very least have the breeding of the horse. Don't know if anyone else would find this useful and might not be possible but just a suggestion. great idea Huey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crucible 632 Report post Posted March 20, 2018 Another idea for the NZ Racing site. Edit the race replay videos so that they start just before the race starts (like they do on the Aussie sites). I certainly appreciate the the fact that the video replays are available but the elapsed time before the race start varies markedly from race to race. How hard is it to crop the videos to a consistent start point. I politely emailed them this suggestion but never heard back, and nothing has changed. jack, Huey and We're Doomed 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, hesi said: TC, try Caroline Rosanowski caroline.rosanowski@nzracing.co.nz I asked her about the wagering turnover and meeting figs, and she got back to me each time with answers But did you get them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted March 20, 2018 I am rather intrigued why you continually go on and on about not getting them Hesi. I have often wondered what significance or purpose are they to you if you did get them? The Annual Reports show the total turnover figures for each season. To help me understand do have any skin in the game? How many horses do you currently have in work or spelling? How many broodmares in the paddock? Are you on any committee's to do with racing ie clubs, owners, trainers, breeders committees etc By your own admission you don't bet much nor attend many race meetings. Just trying to get a handle on how significantly important it is to you to see whether I should forward the latest weekly figures to you. barryb 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted March 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, rdytdy said: I am rather intrigued why you continually go on and on about not getting them Hesi. I have often wondered what significance or purpose are they to you if you did get them? The Annual Reports show the total turnover figures for each season. To help me understand do have any skin in the game? How many horses do you currently have in work or spelling? How many broodmares in the paddock? Are you on any committee's to do with racing ie clubs, owners, trainers, breeders committees etc By your own admission you don't bet much nor attend many race meetings. Just trying to get a handle on how significantly important it is to you to see whether I should forward the latest weekly figures to you. If you have them would you forward them to me please Ted. Btw, I have no horses in work or spelling if that matters. No broodmares and am not on any relevant committees. I do bet quite a bit but not on NZ racing. Very surprising to me that NZTR stopped publishing those figures. dock leaf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,062 Report post Posted March 20, 2018 5 hours ago, hesi said: Mind your own business about what I do or don't do. Let’s all hope your Labour govt does the same thing about people and taxes. rdytdy and Gruff 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 20, 2018 8 hours ago, rdytdy said: I am rather intrigued why you continually go on and on about not getting them Hesi. I have often wondered what significance or purpose are they to you if you did get them? The Annual Reports show the total turnover figures for each season. To help me understand do have any skin in the game? How many horses do you currently have in work or spelling? How many broodmares in the paddock? Are you on any committee's to do with racing ie clubs, owners, trainers, breeders committees etc By your own admission you don't bet much nor attend many race meetings. Just trying to get a handle on how significantly important it is to you to see whether I should forward the latest weekly figures to you. I'll tell you how significant they are Ted. Derby Day at Ellerslie was down 18% on total totalisator turnover. FOB was also down. In terms of returns to the industry Ellerslie didn't contribute that day. Rome burns and they partied. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Option 63 Report post Posted March 21, 2018 8 hours ago, 2Admin2 said: I'll tell you how significant they are Ted. Derby Day at Ellerslie was down 18% on total totalisator turnover. FOB was also down. In terms of returns to the industry Ellerslie didn't contribute that day. Rome burns and they partied. I have to query this statement Admin..... I am struggling to fathom how exactly do you measure returns to the industry . Derby Day has been the 6th biggest day this season in New Zealand from a punting perspective. From your logic this would suggest that the other 260 meetings are also not contributing. Your clarification of these matters would be appreciated Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, Nice Option said: I have to query this statement Admin..... I am struggling to fathom how exactly do you measure returns to the industry . Derby Day has been the 6th biggest day this season in New Zealand from a punting perspective. From your logic this would suggest that the other 260 meetings are also not contributing. Your clarification of these matters would be appreciated Stakes paid vs yield on revenue. If 17% on turnover is revenue how much was spent of industry money at Ellerslie? Contrary to some people's opinion I'm not being deliberately negative however if we continue to believe our own propaganda then Nero is in charge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted March 21, 2018 Stakes paid were $1.25m. Total turnover was $4.116m. At 2admin2's 17% estimate, which is probably high, that's gross revenue of $ .7m. Half of that is eaten up by NZRB costs leaving about $350,000 earned toward the $1.25m stakes paid out. Of course sponsorship, little pie, beer and gate sales will reduce the deficit, But, it is a mile from sustainable even though turnover was way up on last year. A commercial disaster which would be instantly canned by any other viable industry. I think I got that about right. I'm sure I'll be quickly corrected if not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted March 21, 2018 If you do the same exercise the next day at Wyndham, turnover was $812k. Gross betting revenue @ 17% therefore was $138,0000. Take away the 50% NZRB costs leaves $69,000. Stakes paid out were $108k. So Wyndham net betting revenue covered 64% of stakes and Ellerslie net betting revenue covered 28% of stakes. Neither is good but one is obviously disastrously worse than the other. Hope that helps Nice Option. You are right that none of the 260 meetings are contributing but some are contributing significantly less than others from the betting revenue to stakes paid ratio. hedley 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted March 21, 2018 Oops sorry. That was Auckland Cup Day. Derby day was stakes $1.53m . Total turnover 3.9m. Gross revenue at 17% = $ .66m. Net @ 50% = $330, 000. So, estimated net betting revenue covered 22% of stakes. Even worse than Cup day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, hesi said: Perhaps you might be able to see now Ted why it was important that these figs were made available each week, so people who are a lot more clever than me and you, like Leggy, can analyse and make comment on them My questions were posed to you Hesi, not Leggy or anyone else. As per standard we just received another typical disdainful response. That's why I sent Leggy the turnover figures and not you. As for clever, well it's obvious, Hesi and clever should never be seen in the same sentence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,875 Report post Posted March 21, 2018 8 hours ago, hesi said: I do believe you got the only answer you are liable to get. Thanks to Admin, but no thanks to you, as per usual, we can now find the figs on the NZTR website, be quick though, they are only up for the week. Anyone interested, I am sure Admin won't mind if you drop him a line Were can we find the figures please? Or does anyone have them for Oaks Day? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Option 63 Report post Posted March 21, 2018 17 hours ago, 2Admin2 said: Stakes paid vs yield on revenue. If 17% on turnover is revenue how much was spent of industry money at Ellerslie? Contrary to some people's opinion I'm not being deliberately negative however if we continue to believe our own propaganda then Nero is in charge. But on the basis of that logic (stakes paid versus yield on revenue) we would then be ruling a line through some of our great races, namely the Oaks, the Thorndon Mile, Sistema Stakes, Derby, Guineas.... the list goes on) For your reference: Return to industry Stakes 20/01/2018 Saturday Wellington R C 922,712 1,010,000 18/11/2017 Saturday Canterbury Racing-Canterbury 886,272 920,000 1/01/2018 Monday Auckland R C 764,059 970,000 26/12/2017 Tuesday Auckland R C 757,323 740,000 10/03/2018 Saturday Auckland R C 699,778 1,250,000 3/03/2018 Saturday Auckland R C 661,190 1,530,000 27/01/2018 Saturday Auckland R C 595,206 2,440,000 11/11/2017 Saturday Canterbury Racing-Canterbury 474,624 835,000 10/02/2018 Saturday Waikato R C 404,119 880,000 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nice Option said: But on the basis of that logic (stakes paid versus yield on revenue) we would then be ruling a line through some of our great races, namely the Oaks, the Thorndon Mile, Sistema Stakes, Derby, Guineas.... the list goes on) For your reference: Return to industry Stakes 20/01/2018 Saturday Wellington R C 922,712 1,010,000 18/11/2017 Saturday Canterbury Racing-Canterbury 886,272 920,000 1/01/2018 Monday Auckland R C 764,059 970,000 26/12/2017 Tuesday Auckland R C 757,323 740,000 10/03/2018 Saturday Auckland R C 699,778 1,250,000 3/03/2018 Saturday Auckland R C 661,190 1,530,000 27/01/2018 Saturday Auckland R C 595,206 2,440,000 11/11/2017 Saturday Canterbury Racing-Canterbury 474,624 835,000 10/02/2018 Saturday Waikato R C 404,119 880,000 Not necessarily. However we should be dropping the stakes on some of the races because the reality is that it is likely a $100,000 race will attract exactly the same field as a $200,000 race. You also need to consider that the net yield on a race such as the Melbourne Cup where we pay nothing in stakes helps to prop up our own stakes as do the importation of many races from overseas. NZRB need to be very careful on how they manage the Racefields legislation and ongoing commingling arrangements or as the figures show above we are well and truly in the poop. Note that not all revenue earned from Sports betting goes back to Sports but is also used to prop up racing. There is a political knife hanging over that source of revenue. Now this is all occurring during a period of relative economic prosperity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Option 63 Report post Posted March 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said: Not necessarily. However we should be dropping the stakes on some of the races because the reality is that it is likely a $100,000 race will attract exactly the same field as a $200,000 race. You also need to consider that the net yield on a race such as the Melbourne Cup where we pay nothing in stakes helps to prop up our own stakes as do the importation of many races from overseas. NZRB need to be very careful on how they manage the Racefields legislation and ongoing commingling arrangements or as the figures show above we are well and truly in the poop. Note that not all revenue earned from Sports betting goes back to Sports but is also used to prop up racing. There is a political knife hanging over that source of revenue. Now this is all occurring during a period of relative economic prosperity. Whilst some merit in parts of your rationale dropping stakes seems to be a backward step to me. As an owner/breeder it doesn't exactly motivate me to purchase yearlings when you are buying against a backdrop of an industry (stakes) in decline. And I stand to be corrected but, in my opinion, the field that the old Kelt Capital used to attract back when it was $1mio (possibly $2mio 1 year) was far classier and with more depth than what we get now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted March 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, Nice Option said: But on the basis of that logic (stakes paid versus yield on revenue) we would then be ruling a line through some of our great races, namely the Oaks, the Thorndon Mile, Sistema Stakes, Derby, Guineas.... the list goes on) For your reference: Return to industry Stakes 20/01/2018 Saturday Wellington R C 922,712 1,010,000 18/11/2017 Saturday Canterbury Racing-Canterbury 886,272 920,000 1/01/2018 Monday Auckland R C 764,059 970,000 26/12/2017 Tuesday Auckland R C 757,323 740,000 10/03/2018 Saturday Auckland R C 699,778 1,250,000 3/03/2018 Saturday Auckland R C 661,190 1,530,000 27/01/2018 Saturday Auckland R C 595,206 2,440,000 11/11/2017 Saturday Canterbury Racing-Canterbury 474,624 835,000 10/02/2018 Saturday Waikato R C 404,119 880,000 Thanks Nice Option. Would you mind advising where you get those figures and how the Return to Industry is calculated? I agree that it is an issue as to what happens to those key races but they should be self-funding and if not, a more balanced return to the wider industry would surely be fairer to those who provide the product. Not just rewarding the very best horses by a multiple of the betting they attract. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dock leaf 142 Report post Posted March 21, 2018 16 hours ago, Leggy said: Of course sponsorship, little pie, beer and gate sales will reduce the deficit That would ARC profit though eh? Or do the ARC put in their own money to boost the stakes, and the little pies reduce their deficit on that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...