Peter p 9 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 I see the powers to be are looking at David McCormicks drive for trying to get the lead of Sam Ottley who would not had up was Tim Williams attacking John Dunn in the Trott ( who was on the fav $1.85)with mark putting on winterfell in the one one is this not the same thing it’s team driving at its best you would get felt to in aust for less (I have nothing against Tim Williams just comparing) Thejanitor and LongOwner 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil 333 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, Peter p said: I see the powers to be are looking at David McCormicks drive for trying to get the lead of Sam Ottley who would not had up was Tim Williams attacking John Dunn in the Trott ( who was on the fav $1.85)with mark putting on winterfell in the one one is this not the same thing it’s team driving at its best you would get felt to in aust for less (I have nothing against Tim Williams just comparing) Earth Control to Peter p --- in what language are you attempting to communicate with us? (clearly one in which punctuation is optional) We cannot understand what you are saying. Repeat, we cannot understand what you are saying. Iraklis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portfolio 728 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 Yes, both races the same. Clearly lead & parked horse in both races had options to hand up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maple h 26 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Peter p said: I see the powers to be are looking at David McCormicks drive for trying to get the lead of Sam Ottley who would not had up was Tim Williams attacking John Dunn in the Trott ( who was on the fav $1.85)with mark putting on winterfell in the one one is this not the same thing it’s team driving at its best you would get felt to in aust for less (I have nothing against Tim Williams just comparing) Yes 2 very similar incidents but stipes only going after the small guys once again! Portfolio 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsvman 294 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 Tim horse was keen and he beat John Dunn’s horse home aswell, if he attacked and stopped before the one he attacked then maybe fair enough. But you could argue if John handed up to Tim would he wouldn’t have been flat at the top of the straight and may have found the line better than he did Fartoomuch, Kotare_Hunter and Spikecity 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 17, 2018 Reality is that if there are 2 All Star Horses in a race it will always look,like there is team driving. Reality is also that you can’t beat the AllStars horses as they can sit parked and still win. The oddity of it is that there has never been such a domination of harness racing by a single stable! Why is it that every horse that they line up is so superior to all the other horses ??????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, Brodie said: Why is it that every horse that they line up is so superior to all the other horses ??????? Dear Brodie, How was it possible for Mark Purdon to drive Jack Jones in the Kindergarten Stakes when as a trainer he also had War Dan Delight and Another Masterpiece in the same race. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harewood 477 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Kotare_Hunter said: How was it possible for Mark Purdon to drive Jack Jones in the Kindergarten Stakes when as a trainer he also had War Dan Delight and Another Masterpiece in the same race. Was he supposed to drive all three? I know hes good but that good? Fartoomuch and Iraklis 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, Brodie said: Reality is that if there are 2 All Star Horses in a race it will always look,like there is team driving. Reality is also that you can’t beat the AllStars horses as they can sit parked and still win. The oddity of it is that there has never been such a domination of harness racing by a single stable! Why is it that every horse that they line up is so superior to all the other horses ??????? Another short time away but same old envious post on return. Spikecity 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, Fartoomuch said: Another short time away but same old envious post on return. Blue Army also very consistent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 17, 2018 57 minutes ago, Fartoomuch said: Another short time away but same old envious post on return. Fart Too Much, why on earth would I be envious of people needing to work 80 hours per week in all weathers? My Problem is totally unselfish in That I feel for all the owners and other trainers who pay the money and put the hours in and in the knowledge that if an AllStars horse is up against them, they can not win!!! The Problem for,the industry is that many people who are investing in the industry are not getting any return and are going to pull out if this total dominance continues. You can be an AllStars fan as much as you like but it is very detrimental to harness racing now and into the future if it continues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee270744 682 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 Why is it that every horse that they line up is so superior to all the other horses ??????? Not quite, Brodie, they have had 232 starters 71wins 46 seconds 23 thirds 92 have not run a place. All-Stars want you to write their CV. Iraklis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Lee270744 said: Why is it that every horse that they line up is so superior to all the other horses ??????? Not quite, Brodie, they have had 232 starters 71wins 46 seconds 23 thirds 92 have not run a place. All-Stars want you to write their CV. BrodLeopard making it up as he goes along. Confirmed All Star trained horse Jack Jones not superior today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee270744 682 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kotare_Hunter said: BrodLeopard making it up as he goes along. Jack Jones not superior today. Mark couldn't pull the plugs I think he pushed them in further. There will be more that finish behind Jack than in front of him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee270744 682 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 Don't tell Maple and Peter p that they have 5 more at home that are better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, Lee270744 said: Why is it that every horse that they line up is so superior to all the other horses ??????? Not quite, Brodie, they have had 232 starters 71wins 46 seconds 23 thirds 92 have not run a place. All-Stars want you to write their CV. Lee, 92 not run a place because they have had more than 3in a race quite often so they probably finished 4th etc. Anyway pointless debating this topic again as some just have their heads in the sand and can’t seem to see any negative with one stable domination. Plundering the stakes that other participants would like a share of! I can tell you now that there are a helluva lot of disgruntled owners and trainers at the moment! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Brodie said: Lee, 92 not run a place because they have had more than 3in a race quite often so they probably finished 4th etc. Anyway pointless debating this topic again as some just have their heads in the sand and can’t seem to see any negative with one stable domination. Plundering the stakes that other participants would like a share of! I can tell you now that there are a helluva lot of disgruntled owners and trainers at the moment! Some candid socialism there Brodie None from AS team in tom at the Mot place so lots of money there for the owners racing there . It happens every week around the country FYG. How's the Dunn positive case going. You heard anything you'd like to share with other cafers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,451 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Why is it that every horse that they line up is so superior to all the other horses ??????? Good placement? They won 7 from 7 last night with a second string team. Well, none of their superstars anyway, although one or two of last night's might be headed that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,451 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Dear Brodie, How was it possible for Mark Purdon to drive Jack Jones in the Kindergarten Stakes when as a trainer he also had War Dan Delight and Another Masterpiece in the same race. The same as he does every other night? Back Jack into a false favouritism did ya? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Idolmite said: The same as he does every other night? Back Jack into a false favouritism did ya? I figured Brodz knew (something even HRNZ didn't) and Jack Jones wasn't an All Stars horse but it turns out he was exagerating once again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harewood 477 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 36 minutes ago, Brodie said: Plundering the stakes that other participants would like a share of! Is that the same as Harcourts having a 70% share in real estate or Bunnings forcing small hardware stores to close or Toyota dominating the new car industry. Should they all turn customers away and tell them to go else where and support all the struggling smaller businesses. They are the leaders in their chosen areas just as the All Stars are. Its up to the rest to improve and try and increase their market share or try a different approach to survive. This is the way it is in the "free world" with democratic rules or are you suggesting we should look at a communist style where we are all equal and no one rises above the rest. Not for me thanks Brodie. globederby12, Fartoomuch, Iraklis and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,451 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, harewood said: Is that the same as Harcourts having a 70% share in real estate or Bunnings forcing small hardware stores to close or Toyota dominating the new car industry. Should they all turn customers away and tell them to go else where and support all the struggling smaller businesses. They are the leaders in their chosen areas just as the All Stars are. Its up to the rest to improve and try and increase their market share or try a different approach to survive. This is the way it is in the "free world" with democratic rules or are you suggesting we should look at a communist style where we are all equal and no one rises above the rest. Not for me thanks Brodie. It's a tough one. As unlike Bunnings who could supply the whole country, if all the other trainers gave up or relocated to Oz the Allstars would have nobody to race against. The AS team deserves their dominance in one respect, but it's not an attractive look at the same time. I have no idea what the answer is, with racing (in general) as a pastime seemingly in decline as a pastime choice. LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee270744 682 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 Brodie here is the last stat I will put here. The top 9 drivers have driven 4321 horses and won 609 races I will bet they have not driven a handful of winners for All-Stars. The 10th on the list is N Rasmussen 63 for 33-7-4. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee270744 682 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 Mark is 20th on the list with 51 for 19-9-3, the other 18 don't drive for the all-stars. Back him for a place you a dividend 60% of the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter p 9 Report post Posted March 17, 2018 14 hours ago, Peter p said: Good feed back from you all was just testing the water I must see things abit different may be I need to take the full blinds off still life gos on so dos racing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...