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Mares covered 2018

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The Bold One 62

Puccini 66

Zed   49

He's Remarkable 14

Battle Paint   10

Road To Rock   29

Complacent 69

Ghibellines  47

Highly Recommended   150

Keeper 15

Niagara 31

Puccini 66

Roc De Cambes 45

Telperion 118

Unusual Suspect 43

Vespa 58

Vanbrugh 55

Wrote 82

Bullbars 9

Jakkalberry 96

Sweynesse 99

Nadeem 12

Burgundy 147

Proisir       110

El Roca 114

Jimmy Choux 34

Super Easy 68

Dalghar 55

Rageese 56

Alamosa 37

Rock N Pop 28

Mongolian Khan 91

Pentire 21

Redwood 114

Rip Van Winkle 54

Belardo 96

Showcasing 116

Zacinto 83

Contributer 73

Power 68

Preferment 116

Shamexpress 64

Darci Brahma 101

Shocking 81

Per Incanto 101

Swiss Ace 90

Tarzino 124

Turn Me Loose 145

Vadamos 159

Reliable Man 151

Charm Spirit 64

Tivaci 139

Ifraaj 129

Pins 64

Ocean Park 101

Sacred Falls 100

Tavistock 165

Savabeel 167

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2 hours ago, chevy86 said:

4,585 (Puccini down twice). How does that compare to previous years? Any trend?

Sorry this is not all the stallions but the main bunch. So from $4k and under a few more numbers but mainly did the ones upward of this service fee level. Some stallion returns not done.

Should continued slightly down on 2016-2017 season where 5250 served. My estimate for 2017-2018 is 4950 mares served.

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13 hours ago, skoozi said:

Wow, I wonder how many turn a profit at the yearling sales when you are up against those numbers and you are paying a service fee north of $40k.

 

Absolutely - how many will make a profit out of capitalist? If he covered this amount, you could say there will be at least 120 to 150   Going through yearling sales...which dilutes the market.  I think we saw this with Tavistock progeny when there were 100 or so entered at Karaka....I wouldn’t think all actually recovered their costs?  

The “new” studs that have hooked into new money and play the social media game rather heavily will put the message out that if you’re not utilising their stallions, then you’re not in the game..so I guess it comes back to individual choice...you just have to block out the white noise....

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4 hours ago, La Zip said:

Absolutely - how many will make a profit out of capitalist? If he covered this amount, you could say there will be at least 120 to 150   Going through yearling sales...which dilutes the market.  I think we saw this with Tavistock progeny when there were 100 or so entered at Karaka....I wouldn’t think all actually recovered their costs?  

The “new” studs that have hooked into new money and play the social media game rather heavily will put the message out that if you’re not utilising their stallions, then you’re not in the game..so I guess it comes back to individual choice...you just have to block out the white noise....

I would say those breeders that utilised Tavistock and sold them at the sales this year would have licked their lips and all done well, incredible results off that service fee.

They were conceived off a $15,000 service fee!

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56 minutes ago, La Zip said:

As I said Bruce, not ALL would have recovered their costs and made a satisfactory profit. 

You could tell what you were getting at, maybe you should have used a better example than Tavistock at this years sales (i can think of many of them)

Because in regards to this years sales of a 15k service fee, amazing stats.

Would be some stallion for all breeders to cover costs on all horses going to sales, I believe with sales the biggest issue is mare owners over breeding and spending to much on service fees on moderately performed/bred mares, asking to potentially lose money.

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It was Rick Williams from the Oaks stud who recently said that once you took out all the mares owned by the studs there were less than 1,000 left to be served by over 100 stallions. So all is not rosy on the NZ breeding front. Interesting to see in the current Gavelhouse auction both Waikato and Windsor Park offering mares in foal with foals at foot with no reserves. I agree with BruceL that moderately bred mares who are often Unraced or unplaced are going to be loss making for those breeding from them. It’s never been any different of course, but what has exacerbated the issue greatly is the cost benefit analysis, ie costs have risen far more sharply than returns.

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9 minutes ago, skoozi said:

I'm breeding from a mare that is a half to 2 group 1 winners and been told that the progeny are destined for Festival/book 3

What was the reason given skoozi? 

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7 minutes ago, skoozi said:

I'm breeding from a mare that is a half to 2 group 1 winners and been told that the progeny are destined for Festival/book 3

Skoozi this can happen if - the mare has poor conformation and this has been passed to the foal 1/2 to Group 1 winners doesn't necessarily make her, the stallion you have used is non commercial (there are plenty at reasonable fees that can give you that), she did not race to protect her page or worse raced a lot and unplaced,  what she has previously produced has been unraced or unplaced - the longer they go without a winner the less they're worth but.....don't give up that's when they throw a great winner i.e. the Cambridge Stud broodmare that sold cheaply only for her progeny come up in the races :) If you don't want to go to Book 3 put it on an online auction and see what the market thinks or Ready to Run it - best of luck, I know your pain!

 

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Unraced due to injury, had her entered for the golden slipper, first foal unraced, had the heart, but not the size. 2nd foal 3 wins, 3rd foal a winner, 4th foal died due to colic, we will race her progeny from now on as 2yo showing real potential.

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19 minutes ago, skoozi said:

Unraced due to injury, had her entered for the golden slipper, first foal unraced, had the heart, but not the size. 2nd foal 3 wins, 3rd foal a winner, 4th foal died due to colic, we will race her progeny from now on as 2yo showing real potential.

So agree with Baz what was the reason given?

 

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On 3/12/2018 at 1:28 PM, La Zip said:

Well those stats are just flabbergasting....I just don’t understand some breeders...Alamosa at 37 mares...just confirms my thoughts on where the “newer” generation are taking this industry.....we just don’t seem to be big on breeding RACEHORSES...

Commercialism. His biggest downfall is that he started out at a service fee of $27,500. Hard to come back from that expectation. 

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4 hours ago, skoozi said:

Unraced due to injury, had her entered for the golden slipper, first foal unraced, had the heart, but not the size. 2nd foal 3 wins, 3rd foal a winner, 4th foal died due to colic, we will race her progeny from now on as 2yo showing real potential.

I suggest to pick your stallion wisely. If you go to a first season or proven I think you'll get better than book 3. Just judging on the facts you have made. Sounds a solid pedigree but I guess you need some Black type to come through this dam shortly 

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skoozi

One thing to consider is placing your yearling in the draft of a high profile vendor/consignor. Assuming they take the yearling on, it may cost you a bit more but it would help you get out of Book 3. The vendor is unlikely to take it on if it is not a good type, so getting past that step is should give you confidence. In some ways it would be better if it is someone you don't know as then you know they are not doing it "to help a mate".

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