Nasrullah 180 Report post Posted March 12, 2018 The Bold One 62 Puccini 66 Zed 49 He's Remarkable 14 Battle Paint 10 Road To Rock 29 Complacent 69 Ghibellines 47 Highly Recommended 150 Keeper 15 Niagara 31 Puccini 66 Roc De Cambes 45 Telperion 118 Unusual Suspect 43 Vespa 58 Vanbrugh 55 Wrote 82 Bullbars 9 Jakkalberry 96 Sweynesse 99 Nadeem 12 Burgundy 147 Proisir 110 El Roca 114 Jimmy Choux 34 Super Easy 68 Dalghar 55 Rageese 56 Alamosa 37 Rock N Pop 28 Mongolian Khan 91 Pentire 21 Redwood 114 Rip Van Winkle 54 Belardo 96 Showcasing 116 Zacinto 83 Contributer 73 Power 68 Preferment 116 Shamexpress 64 Darci Brahma 101 Shocking 81 Per Incanto 101 Swiss Ace 90 Tarzino 124 Turn Me Loose 145 Vadamos 159 Reliable Man 151 Charm Spirit 64 Tivaci 139 Ifraaj 129 Pins 64 Ocean Park 101 Sacred Falls 100 Tavistock 165 Savabeel 167 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasrullah 180 Report post Posted March 12, 2018 Sorry mares covered 2017!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted March 12, 2018 Well those stats are just flabbergasting....I just don’t understand some breeders...Alamosa at 37 mares...just confirms my thoughts on where the “newer” generation are taking this industry.....we just don’t seem to be big on breeding RACEHORSES... Lloyd Vivian and Insider 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,704 Report post Posted March 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Nasrullah said: Sorry mares covered 2017!!!! 4,585 (Puccini down twice). How does that compare to previous years? Any trend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted March 12, 2018 Thanks Nas. Interesting. jess 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasrullah 180 Report post Posted March 12, 2018 2 hours ago, chevy86 said: 4,585 (Puccini down twice). How does that compare to previous years? Any trend? Sorry this is not all the stallions but the main bunch. So from $4k and under a few more numbers but mainly did the ones upward of this service fee level. Some stallion returns not done. Should continued slightly down on 2016-2017 season where 5250 served. My estimate for 2017-2018 is 4950 mares served. chevy86 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted March 12, 2018 Stallion coverings Britain and Ireland 2017 Breeder 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 Australian Stud Book figures..top 25 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoozi 38 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 Wow, I wonder how many turn a profit at the yearling sales when you are up against those numbers and you are paying a service fee north of $40k. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 And of course it's all by natural service folks ..... Ethereal and Pam Robson 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepers 276 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 Be interesting to see how many of these stallions are syndicated and how many syndicate breedings each has (also stud ownership mares used). This would show how many small breeders are still breeding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepers 276 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 11 hours ago, jess said: And of course it's all by natural service folks ..... Yes Jess ............ Enforcing!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 13 hours ago, skoozi said: Wow, I wonder how many turn a profit at the yearling sales when you are up against those numbers and you are paying a service fee north of $40k. Absolutely - how many will make a profit out of capitalist? If he covered this amount, you could say there will be at least 120 to 150 Going through yearling sales...which dilutes the market. I think we saw this with Tavistock progeny when there were 100 or so entered at Karaka....I wouldn’t think all actually recovered their costs? The “new” studs that have hooked into new money and play the social media game rather heavily will put the message out that if you’re not utilising their stallions, then you’re not in the game..so I guess it comes back to individual choice...you just have to block out the white noise.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 4 hours ago, La Zip said: Absolutely - how many will make a profit out of capitalist? If he covered this amount, you could say there will be at least 120 to 150 Going through yearling sales...which dilutes the market. I think we saw this with Tavistock progeny when there were 100 or so entered at Karaka....I wouldn’t think all actually recovered their costs? The “new” studs that have hooked into new money and play the social media game rather heavily will put the message out that if you’re not utilising their stallions, then you’re not in the game..so I guess it comes back to individual choice...you just have to block out the white noise.... I would say those breeders that utilised Tavistock and sold them at the sales this year would have licked their lips and all done well, incredible results off that service fee. They were conceived off a $15,000 service fee! fitzy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 As I said Bruce, not ALL would have recovered their costs and made a satisfactory profit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 56 minutes ago, La Zip said: As I said Bruce, not ALL would have recovered their costs and made a satisfactory profit. You could tell what you were getting at, maybe you should have used a better example than Tavistock at this years sales (i can think of many of them) Because in regards to this years sales of a 15k service fee, amazing stats. Would be some stallion for all breeders to cover costs on all horses going to sales, I believe with sales the biggest issue is mare owners over breeding and spending to much on service fees on moderately performed/bred mares, asking to potentially lose money. optical 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazach 133 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 It was Rick Williams from the Oaks stud who recently said that once you took out all the mares owned by the studs there were less than 1,000 left to be served by over 100 stallions. So all is not rosy on the NZ breeding front. Interesting to see in the current Gavelhouse auction both Waikato and Windsor Park offering mares in foal with foals at foot with no reserves. I agree with BruceL that moderately bred mares who are often Unraced or unplaced are going to be loss making for those breeding from them. It’s never been any different of course, but what has exacerbated the issue greatly is the cost benefit analysis, ie costs have risen far more sharply than returns. Belinda and .... 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoozi 38 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 I'm breeding from a mare that is a half to 2 group 1 winners and been told that the progeny are destined for Festival/book 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazach 133 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, skoozi said: I'm breeding from a mare that is a half to 2 group 1 winners and been told that the progeny are destined for Festival/book 3 What was the reason given skoozi? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby 160 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, skoozi said: I'm breeding from a mare that is a half to 2 group 1 winners and been told that the progeny are destined for Festival/book 3 Skoozi this can happen if - the mare has poor conformation and this has been passed to the foal 1/2 to Group 1 winners doesn't necessarily make her, the stallion you have used is non commercial (there are plenty at reasonable fees that can give you that), she did not race to protect her page or worse raced a lot and unplaced, what she has previously produced has been unraced or unplaced - the longer they go without a winner the less they're worth but.....don't give up that's when they throw a great winner i.e. the Cambridge Stud broodmare that sold cheaply only for her progeny come up in the races If you don't want to go to Book 3 put it on an online auction and see what the market thinks or Ready to Run it - best of luck, I know your pain! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoozi 38 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 Unraced due to injury, had her entered for the golden slipper, first foal unraced, had the heart, but not the size. 2nd foal 3 wins, 3rd foal a winner, 4th foal died due to colic, we will race her progeny from now on as 2yo showing real potential. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby 160 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, skoozi said: Unraced due to injury, had her entered for the golden slipper, first foal unraced, had the heart, but not the size. 2nd foal 3 wins, 3rd foal a winner, 4th foal died due to colic, we will race her progeny from now on as 2yo showing real potential. So agree with Baz what was the reason given? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
optical 41 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/12/2018 at 1:28 PM, La Zip said: Well those stats are just flabbergasting....I just don’t understand some breeders...Alamosa at 37 mares...just confirms my thoughts on where the “newer” generation are taking this industry.....we just don’t seem to be big on breeding RACEHORSES... Commercialism. His biggest downfall is that he started out at a service fee of $27,500. Hard to come back from that expectation. Ruby 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
optical 41 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 4 hours ago, skoozi said: Unraced due to injury, had her entered for the golden slipper, first foal unraced, had the heart, but not the size. 2nd foal 3 wins, 3rd foal a winner, 4th foal died due to colic, we will race her progeny from now on as 2yo showing real potential. I suggest to pick your stallion wisely. If you go to a first season or proven I think you'll get better than book 3. Just judging on the facts you have made. Sounds a solid pedigree but I guess you need some Black type to come through this dam shortly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breeder 608 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 skoozi One thing to consider is placing your yearling in the draft of a high profile vendor/consignor. Assuming they take the yearling on, it may cost you a bit more but it would help you get out of Book 3. The vendor is unlikely to take it on if it is not a good type, so getting past that step is should give you confidence. In some ways it would be better if it is someone you don't know as then you know they are not doing it "to help a mate". Belinda 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...