harewood 477 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 Steel Jaws cup was one of my all time favs At least 6 lengths clear at the 800 and pulling his head off Did he stop NO won by an even biggrr margin Just sheer raw pacing power Loved it Iraklis 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,231 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 Hey Harewood, geezuz the place went pretty quiet after that win I tell you woulda thought someone died, he tromped all over some our best it didn't go down well for me it was Delightful Lady and Handsdown their battle royale gawd she fought him, fought him hard! but he was just too big for our Queen of The Park she lost nothin in defeat though bless her....hey what ever happened to Steel Jaw he kinda fell off the radar after that? Cheers Iraklis harewood 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Value Bell 251 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 Did Poplar Alm race in N Z? Vinny Knight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double R 260 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Value Bell said: Did Poplar Alm race in N Z? Vinny Knight. Yes, raced in 1983 Interdominions in Auckland, and finished 2nd to Gammalite in the final. Cheers. Robert. Value Bell 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Value Bell 251 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 Is Bob Knight still training. I know Vinnies death hit Bob big time. Sold our horse in 1983 to the Knight stable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 1,495 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 22 hours ago, harewood said: Steel Jaws cup was one of my all time favs At least 6 lengths clear at the 800 and pulling his head off Did he stop NO won by an even biggrr margin Just sheer raw pacing power Loved it Very slow race by todays standards, only 4.05 but still one of the fastest up till then.The bunch behind were pretty ordinary with no standouts, just good journeymen pacers. Our Mana ,Camelot, Sunseeker, an over the hill Hands Down, Enterprise, Derby, Ben, and of course Bonnies Chance again over it. I always had my suspicions about him being "juiced "up for that , as he was taken on in the FFA and weakened out to finish 10th. Double R 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikecity 749 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 Yes a lot were getting extra help in those days - my grandfather was a vet for several prominent stables in that era. He was ahead of his time and the swabbing stewards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Spyro 408 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 On 14/03/2018 at 6:20 PM, harewood said: Steel Jaws cup was one of my all time favs At least 6 lengths clear at the 800 and pulling his head off Did he stop NO won by an even biggrr margin Just sheer raw pacing power Loved it Saddest part was owner Ossie Marr having a heart attack at presentation and later dying in hospital. All too much for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,531 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 5 hours ago, globederby12 said: Very slow race by todays standards, only 4.05 but still one of the fastest up till then.The bunch behind were pretty ordinary with no standouts, just good journeymen pacers. Our Mana ,Camelot, Sunseeker, an over the hill Hands Down, Enterprise, Derby, Ben, and of course Bonnies Chance again over it. I always had my suspicions about him being "juiced "up for that , as he was taken on in the FFA and weakened out to finish 10th. I wouldn't of minded owning one of those "journeymen pacers". Iraklis 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crucible 632 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Idolmite said: I wouldn't of minded owning one of those "journeymen pacers". "have" - the most underused word on Racecafe Hermione 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,531 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Crucible said: "have" - the most underused word on Racecafe I don't have to if I don't want to.....have I? harewood and Iraklis 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harewood 477 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 7 hours ago, globederby12 said: Very slow race by todays standards, only 4.05 but still one of the fastest up till then.The bunch behind were pretty ordinary with no standouts, just good journeymen pacers. Our Mana ,Camelot, Sunseeker, an over the hill Hands Down, Enterprise, Derby, Ben, and of course Bonnies Chance again over it. I always had my suspicions about him being "juiced "up for that , as he was taken on in the FFA and weakened out to finish 10th. It was a race record at the time. People may well say the same about Lazarus in 20 years time when they are running 3.45, slow time and he only beat average fields. You can only beat whats in front of you and as you well know its not good to compare eras. Its more the way you dominate a race that makes you special and both Steel Jaw and Lazarus have done that and thats why I will remember those races above all others. Sure titanic battles, Hands Down v D Lady, were great to watch but nothing beats a horse dominating a race and making it his own leaving the others as well beaten also runs. I also loved when Armalight did similar a couple of years earlier in a slightly slower time. Any suspicious about that race Bonnies Chance won the cup the year before and Camelot the year after, Our Mana ran several placings and we all know Hands Down well so they were not a mug field. Looking forward to continuing our discussions in Perth Thejanitor, Iraklis and globederby12 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,231 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 C'mon Globe those were some our best at the time, but you weren't the only one to mention horse bein 'juiced' for that race, a few people I know from the sport one of em at the time a vet commented on the same thing, hey who knows he still handed out an ass whippin that left alot of our best stunned.....it stung a bit I can tell yuh that, woke alot of em up Cheers Iraklis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 1,495 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 9 hours ago, harewood said: It was a race record at the time. People may well say the same about Lazarus in 20 years time when they are running 3.45, slow time and he only beat average fields. You can only beat whats in front of you and as you well know its not good to compare eras. Its more the way you dominate a race that makes you special and both Steel Jaw and Lazarus have done that and thats why I will remember those races above all others. Sure titanic battles, Hands Down v D Lady, were great to watch but nothing beats a horse dominating a race and making it his own leaving the others as well beaten also runs. I also loved when Armalight did similar a couple of years earlier in a slightly slower time. Any suspicious about that race Bonnies Chance won the cup the year before and Camelot the year after, Our Mana ran several placings and we all know Hands Down well so they were not a mug field. Looking forward to continuing our discussions in Perth Should be fun. But dominating a race like that had Juniors Image written all over it considering his further runs. So from that perspective I didn't enjoy it. I still regard our best at that time fairly average, with the obvious exceptions. If he ran 4.05 and won by what 8 lengths, doesn't take an Einstein to work out that the rest were pretty slow, in fact they might as well have run in Cardys 1963 Cup. 4.11. They might have kept up. Anyhow I'm not dissing the horses just categorizing them as an ordinary bunch in that particular time. Let's get back to the original post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portfolio 728 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 On 14/03/2018 at 8:50 PM, Value Bell said: Is Bob Knight still training. I know Vinnies death hit Bob big time. Sold our horse in 1983 to the Knight stable. I would say Bob is well and truly gone by now. Poppy, what a great horse. 62 starts, 49 wins, 7x 2nds, 3 x 3rds. They made some average horses run very fast, and we all know how this happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikecity 749 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 And the juggernaut continues tonight at Addington Kotare_Hunter 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maple h 26 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Spikecity said: And the juggernaut continues tonight at Addington 12 in a row. On the turn johnny looked like he had them covered. Then the Purdon "extra" kicks in and surprise surprise Natalie's drive gets home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Spikecity said: And the juggernaut continues tonight at Addington Anthem a real determined type. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maple h 26 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 Now 13. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maple h 26 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 And now 14. Unstoppable at the moment. Bettor joy should have won that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 Now 14. Pleased I didn't say Bettor Joy is about to burst the bubble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikecity 749 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, maple h said: And now 14. Unstoppable at the moment. Bettor joy should have won that! I felt that gut buster she had at Auckland might have taken its toll Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikecity 749 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Spikecity said: I felt that gut buster she had at Auckland might have taken its toll Didn't think it was the smart thing for Dexter to chase them with other big races coming up. Yes Mark did the same thing with his two year old but will probably be given time to recover. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booby Bec 84 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 No Elle Mac is just way better!!! Cant believe she paid 3.5, money for old rope!! Spikecity, richie and Thejanitor 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Booby Bec said: No Elle Mac is just way better!!! Cant believe she paid 3.5, money for old rope!! The world is a beautiful place after tonight's results for the AS team. Iraklis would be a happy man as well Spikecity and Thejanitor 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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