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Watched part one of a doco on the Vietnam War on the Maori channel last night.It was great.Made by Ken Burns who also did the Civil War doco.

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing,but the doco has left me with the impression that even at the time of Kennedys death,there way no way that the US was going to win that war.

I recall read a book by Pierre Salinger ( Kennedys press secretary)and in it he mentions an interview done by Harrison Salisbury(NY Times) with the North Vietnam PM,Pham van Dong,in which the PM says

''''and how long do you Americans want to fight.

2 years,3 years,5 years,10 years 20 years.We will be glad to accommodate'''.

That was done in 66.

This doco has been advertised as available for streaming on TVNZ but they didn't show it as it might interupt a reality show.

Memo to TVNZ This doco is REALITY.

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In the Muesem there was remarks from a US General, I think his name was Westmoreland and he questioned retrospectively the wisdom of ever getting invovled. A large majority of the population was born since the end  the war so they could not care less. Vietnam is Communist by name only.

 

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6 hours ago, crustyngrizzly said:

He was ther thats for sure infact i think he was the General who fudged the figures for the media regarding numbers killed and the strength of the Viet Cong so that US soldiers wouldn't lose morale.

 

That whole war was a misinformation-fest. We shouldn't forget that the French were beaten and demoralized before the Yanks stepped in.

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The French effort to remain in Indo-China in the 1950's was largely funded by the US. Despite that they failed and departed.

The Americans then put in place a puppet regime in the South, to counter Ho Chi Min in the North. It proved as corrupt as the current Trump administration and the leader was taken out and shot. At this point (1964) the US knew they had to get directly involved. The Gulf of Tonkin incident provided this excuse and in they went - boots and all. However the enemy were far more formidable than they had anticipated, while at home "the times they were a changing".

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The best documentary I've seen about the Vietnam War screened on History channel about 10 days ago. It was about the final evacuation of Americans from Saigon in 1975. Told by people (American and Vietnamese) who were there at the time as the last helicopters flew off the US embassy roof. Stories of deception, heroism and hard decisions. It was a great doco.

 

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im of the opinion the Vietnam war was to humble the United States of America

God Almighty was not given the recognition from America's top heads of the victory won in WW2,

as a result 

America's pride puffed up.. and God Almighty put a stumbling block in front of America to humble them

the Stumbling block was the Vietnam War to prove to America they are not as great as they think they are!!

but hey.. what the hell do i know

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1 hour ago, 6xes said:

im of the opinion the Vietnam war was to humble the United States of America

God Almighty was not given the recognition from America's top heads of the victory won in WW2,

as a result 

America's pride puffed up.. and God Almighty put a stumbling block in front of America to humble them

the Stumbling block was the Vietnam War to prove to America they are not as great as they think they are!!

but hey.. what the hell do i know

It didn't work 6xes. America still has an over inflated view of itself, and with Mickey Mouse now at the helm that isnt about to change. God bless America ?, no I don't think so. 

Christianity in the good old USA is 3000 miles wide , but only an inch deep.

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24 minutes ago, globederby12 said:

It didn't work 6xes. America still has an over inflated view of itself, and with Mickey Mouse now at the helm that isnt about to change. God bless America ?, no I don't think so. 

Christianity in the good old USA is 3000 miles wide , but only an inch deep.

It is said Pride goes before a fall... but in the case of America as it turned out with the Vietnam War... they retreated and were humbled in front of the whole world...

America has gone by the wayside for a number of years now, this is well-known.. and it is reflected by the remark you made..  3000 miles wide but only a inch deep

 

It is only in the recent years... that many Americans have recognised this falling away from God.. we need only look at American society and its previous Presidents actions to see the corruption already embodied and entrenched in America.

 

It has only been the Fervent Prayer of the Americans that have made their petitions to God Almighty, that change is now taking place

needless to say there is much resistance.. but through continual prayer and a Leader who recognises and acknowledges God Almighty in the Whitehouse. you can be assured that this scripture will be fulfilled Romans 8-28

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26 minutes ago, globederby12 said:

It didn't work 6xes. America still has an over inflated view of itself, and with Mickey Mouse now at the helm that isnt about to change. God bless America ?, no I don't think so. 

Christianity in the good old USA is 3000 miles wide , but only an inch deep.

It is said Pride goes before a fall... but in the case of America as it turned out with the Vietnam War... they retreated and were humbled in front of the whole world...

America has gone by the wayside for a number of years now, this is well-known.. and it is reflected by the remark you made..  3000 miles wide but only a inch deep

 

It is only in the recent years... that many Americans have recognised this falling away from God.. we need only look at American society and its previous Presidents actions to see the corruption already embodied and entrenched in America.

 

It has only been the Fervent Prayer of the Americans that have made their petitions to God Almighty, that change is now taking place

needless to say there is much resistance.. but through continual prayer and a Leader who recognises and acknowledges God Almighty in the Whitehouse. you can be assured that this scripture will be fulfilled Romans 8-28

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1 hour ago, globederby12 said:

Sorry 6xes. But you are so far wide of the mark with Trump (acknowledging God) that you look stupid. Your comprehension of what a true Christian should be like and profess is sadly lacking.

 

you are mixing Gods purpose being achieved with only Christians being able to achieve it

this is where your understanding falls over (re-read Roman 8:28-30)

 

Honestly, Globe, God Almighty in all his greatness can do anything with anything...

consider this scripture which was spoken by john the baptist

Matthew 3:9

And consider the conception of Jesus being born of a Virgin (how is this humanly possible)

How is it that you believe that God Almighty cannot use President Trump for his purposes.... Roman 8-28

Truely your sight has limited scope

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45 minutes ago, 6xes said:

you are mixing Gods purpose being achieved with only Christians being able to achieve it

this is where your understanding falls over (re-read Roman 8:28-30)

 

Honestly, Globe, God Almighty in all his greatness can do anything with anything...

consider this scripture which was spoken by john the baptist

Matthew 3:9

And consider the conception of Jesus being born of a Virgin (how is this humanly possible)

How is it that you believe that God Almighty cannot use President Trump for his purposes.... Roman 8-28

Truely your sight has limited scope

We beg to differ. History will take care of itself, and whether a hypocritical heathen achieves anything in God's name is open to conjecture.

 

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10 hours ago, 6xes said:

Honestly, Globe, God Almighty in all his greatness can do anything with anything...

consider this scripture which was spoken by john the baptist

Matthew 3:9

And consider the conception of Jesus being born of a Virgin (how is this humanly possible)

 

The "Biblical Conspiracies" doco screened recently on History Channel was interesting viewing. Among other things they theorised that Jesus father was a Roman Soldier named Pirethus (sp?) from Sidon (just north of Palestine). He died in what is now Germany and they found his tomb there. It also said how Jesus married Mary Magdelin and they had two children.They reckon that she was the driving force behind the new religion.

The two women (Mary his mother and Mary his wife) were later written out of the story by Christians looking to remove any reference to sexuality.

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10 hours ago, 6xes said:

 

How is it that you believe that God Almighty cannot use President Trump for his purposes.... Roman 8-28

Truely your sight has limited scope

Peter 5:5 points to it being highly unlikely the God will be using a man like President Trump for his purposes.

"Clothe yourself in humility toward one another. For God sets himself against the proud (the insolent, the overbearing, the disdainful, the presumptuous, the boastful); but gives grace (favour) to the humble."

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1 hour ago, Uriah Heap said:

Peter 5:5 points to it being highly unlikely the God will be using a man like President Trump for his purposes.

"Clothe yourself in humility toward one another. For God sets himself against the proud (the insolent, the overbearing, the disdainful, the presumptuous, the boastful); but gives grace (favour) to the humble."

It's a " bot" Uriah. Im even more about convinced now than before. The programmers had/have a very limited concept of end times and how it will play out.

Anyway , back to the Vietnam War.

Take it away Grizzly

 

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Interest to note that acclaimed author and reporter William Prochau has died.

Prochau reported fron Vietnam for the Seattle Times and his work earned him a place on Nixons enemies list.

In 1995 he published a book on the Vietnam war called

''ONCE UPON A DISTANT WAR''''

Basically it was about a handful of skeptical reporters (inc David Halberstam and Peter Arnett)whose early warnings that the US wasn't winning in Vietnam went unheeded.

David Halberstam wrote the best(imo) book regarding Vietnam called 'The Best and The Brightest''

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