jess 1,244 Report post Posted February 21, 2018 Congratulations on your win at Avondale today. Didn't follow the races closely today but noticed you standing in the stirrups for quite a distance as you rode down to the gates - hands held high with your grip on the horse's mouth being used to balance yourself in this upright position. Pretty hard on a horse's mouth to ride this way ... have a look sometime at a rider like Chris Johnson and how kind he is to his horses and what beautiful hands he has ... not only is this a kind way to ride - but it often pays dividends and you regularly see Chris get the best out of his mounts without punishing them. And some owners are a bit particular about seeing their horses treated well ... I know it makes a difference to me and who I like to see aboard mne ... Just my 2 cents worth to take or leave as you please ... all the best, J Belinda, Maximus, Shad and 2 others 3 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,554 Report post Posted February 21, 2018 Agree with your comments, does the horse no favours and in some cases just fires them up, especially after you spend time breaking them in nicely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,869 Report post Posted February 21, 2018 And both of you were top jocks yourself of course??? Or even jocks??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wood 1,576 Report post Posted February 21, 2018 Bit picky guys, rides nice this fellow and the horses seem to run for him, normally a sign of having a good feel for a horse and kind hands. Have observed him here at Cambridge and haven’t seen anything that would concern me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,869 Report post Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Chris Wood said: Bit picky guys, rides nice this fellow and the horses seem to run for him, normally a sign of having a good feel for s horse and kind hands. Have observed him here at Cambridge and haven’t seen anything that would concern me. Thanks for the unbiased opinion Chris... Not seen him in prelims but seems to ride ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted February 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: And both of you were top jocks yourself of course??? Or even jocks??? Scooby I was reluctant to bother replying to that but can I just say - there wouldn't even be a racecafe if the only ones allowed an opinion here were people who had done it +/- been champions at it ... And I can't be bothered offering my credentials to try to justify what I thought was a respectfully expressed observation ... J. Tailedoff, Leggy, Shad and 5 others 5 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,869 Report post Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, jess said: Scooby I was reluctant to bother replying to that but can I just say - there wouldn't even be a racecafe if the only ones allowed an opinion here were people who had done it +/- been champions at it ... And I can't be bothered offering my credentials to try to justify what I thought was a respectfully expressed observation ... J. I was asking a decent question you seem to want to bag the guy and you don't even know him, just looking at both sides...cheers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted February 21, 2018 6 hours ago, jess said: Congratulations on your win at Avondale today. Didn't follow the races closely today but noticed you standing in the stirrups for quite a distance as you rode down to the gates - hands held high with your grip on the horse's mouth being used to balance yourself in this upright position. Pretty hard on a horse's mouth to ride this way ... have a look sometime at a rider like Chris Johnson and how kind he is to his horses and what beautiful hands he has ... not only is this a kind way to ride - but it often pays dividends and you regularly see Chris get the best out of his mounts without punishing them. And some owners are a bit particular about seeing their horses treated well ... I know it makes a difference to me and who I like to see aboard mne ... Just my 2 cents worth to take or leave as you please ... all the best, J Leading trainer a while back wasn't too happy with leading jockey so sent him off to well known video analyst for tuition. Kind of beats the theory you need to have been a jockey to offer an informed opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,869 Report post Posted February 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, slam dunk said: Leading trainer a while back wasn't too happy with leading jockey so sent him off to well known video analyst for tuition. Kind of beats the theory you need to have been a jockey to offer an informed opinion. Never said that mister smarty pants as always was asking a question...typical of your normal comments though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattski 176 Report post Posted February 21, 2018 I've been quite impressed with Jasmine Fawcett lately. Seems like a real improver? inside edge 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted February 22, 2018 oops ...A Puha post ...... wrong thread ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus 429 Report post Posted February 22, 2018 18 hours ago, jess said: Scooby I was reluctant to bother replying to that but can I just say - there wouldn't even be a racecafe if the only ones allowed an opinion here were people who had done it +/- been champions at it ... And I can't be bothered offering my credentials to try to justify what I thought was a respectfully expressed observation ... J. and you don't need to offer your credentials Jess. your opinion is exactly that and was expressed with a clear sens (to my interpretation anyway) of constructive criticism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted February 22, 2018 18 hours ago, jess said: Scooby I was reluctant to bother replying to that but can I just say - there wouldn't even be a racecafe if the only ones allowed an opinion here were people who had done it +/- been champions at it ... And I can't be bothered offering my credentials to try to justify what I thought was a respectfully expressed observation ... J. Jess I support your comments entirely. The responses that you have received are indicative of where the industry is at. Racing is a sport and if you are on centre stage then suck it up. Different opinions are what makes sport great. If we all agreed then there would be $1 favourites in every race. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted February 22, 2018 Jess at the end of the day most of us on RaceCafe have a love of the horse. Maybe that thought should be what drives the industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,869 Report post Posted February 22, 2018 44 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said: Jess at the end of the day most of us on RaceCafe have a love of the horse. Maybe that thought should be what drives the industry. As I do too so what is your warped point here...or is it just another way to argue...yeah thought so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted February 22, 2018 25 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: As I do too so what is your warped point here...or is it just another way to argue...yeah thought so. Excuse me? How warped was my post? Up to you to explain why as "you own the site and have all the control on who posts what". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,531 Report post Posted February 22, 2018 Stop it, or I'll ban you both. Insider, Memphis2, kilcoyne and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Idolmite said: Stop it, or I'll ban you both. Can I choose where I'm banned from? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,869 Report post Posted February 22, 2018 48 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said: Can I choose where I'm banned from? 58 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said: Excuse me? How warped was my post? Up to you to explain why as "you own the site and have all the control on who posts what". No i don't need to explain anything...cheers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,869 Report post Posted February 22, 2018 21 hours ago, jess said: Scooby I was reluctant to bother replying to that but can I just say - there wouldn't even be a racecafe if the only ones allowed an opinion here were people who had done it +/- been champions at it ... And I can't be bothered offering my credentials to try to justify what I thought was a respectfully expressed observation ... J. Jess if I offended you i am sorry for that but I just know how hard it is to get a break in this industry and social media can do a person a lot of harm and sometimes it is unwarranted...cheers. Insider, kilcoyne and chelseacol 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted February 23, 2018 19 hours ago, scooby3051 said: Jess if I offended you i am sorry for that but I just know how hard it is to get a break in this industry and social media can do a person a lot of harm and sometimes it is unwarranted...cheers. Jess offered some advice on what I thought was a polite way. Maybe instead of bagging the messenger you might want to comment on her advice from your own "extensive" riding experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,869 Report post Posted February 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said: Jess offered some advice on what I thought was a polite way. Maybe instead of bagging the messenger you might want to comment on her advice from your own "extensive" riding experience. Why dont you just but out instead of arguing for the sake of arguing...you really are becoming tiresome...it is you who keeps saying he has done something in the industry...it seems unknown what is that you actually did???Come on dont be shy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: Why dont you just but out instead of arguing for the sake of arguing...you really are becoming tiresome...it is you who keeps saying he has done something in the industry...it seems unknown what is that you actually did???Come on dont be shy... Everyone who contributes to this site has done "something" in the racing industry. It's only you and your mate (currently) who say they have done nothing. Leo's first response when someone doesn't agree with him is to resort to vile vitriol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,869 Report post Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, 2Admin2 said: Everyone who contributes to this site has done "something" in the racing industry. It's only you and your mate (currently) who say they have done nothing. Leo's first response when someone doesn't agree with him is to resort to vile vitriol. I am not talking about anyone but you... so what is your something most in here know what i have done but what about you whats your claim to fame...so whats your something??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1MUE 1,877 Report post Posted February 23, 2018 I've missed a lot of the history here, but this point about having done something in the industry seems to be coming up a lot. Does having done something in the industry add weight to one's opinions and viewpoints on here? I haven't worked in the industry, apart from my volunteer days with the FCC on the semaphore board at Tauherenikau. I have owned a small share in a number of horses, none of them champions, and I have been betting on horses since I was a teenager and have attended an awful lot of race days. I still feel I have a good understanding of the industry despite not having been a jockey or a trainer. I'm also confused about the relationship between Scooby and 2admin2. Scooby owns the site, but what is 2Admin2's role? Surely he's not in a paid role because he would have been sacked by now? Surely he's not volunteering his time because he wouldn't cop all the abuse and keep volunteering? Is his 2Admin2 nom de plume just a red herring? Steve Paul 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
