ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 Wonderful drama always a treat to watch all the theatre and adrenalin live on TV but when the lights go down and the ego's subside reality takes over for another year. Just a touch of reality ........... I looked at last years results and without being specific randomly selected 19 horses with a total sales value $5.5 million so the average was $305,500 + . To make the horses easier to " track " I made sure they were sold to Aust/NZ clients and also made sure they appeared in the Australian or NZ register. The following is bit of a summary after 12 months. 1) Named but Unraced 2) " " " 3)Named but Non Starter 4)Named 2nd in a 6 horse race 5)Named 2nd a 3rd and a 4th in 5 horse trials 6)Named but unraced 7) " " " 8) " " " 9) " " " 10) " " " 11) " " " 12) Unnamed and Unraced 13) Named but unraced 14) Unnamed and Unraced 15) " " " 16) " " " 17) " " " 18) " " " 19) Named but unraced We know they all don't make 2 year olds but they would have been prepared for the Karaka Million and have clearly all been tried. It is possible that some have been exported BUT its less likely than other scenario's. SHE'S A TOUGH GAME unless you win about 5 races. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,539 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 Most of these horses will pushed to their limits, physically and mentally, at a very young age, guess there will be many that don't make it, through no fault of their own, seems a shame that time is not on their side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Shad said: Most of these horses will pushed to their limits, physically and mentally, at a very young age, guess there will be many that don't make it, through no fault of their own, seems a shame that time is not on their side. What a load of bollocks if so many were unsuccessful as you intimate why is the sale so successful??? richie and Insider 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockers 200 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 29 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: What a load of bollocks if so many were unsuccessful as you intimate why is the sale so successful??? Not many horses are profitable Scooby.Only people thart make money on horses are breeders and trainer's and the very rare lucky owner. These big hitters have multiple horses and their balance sheets would be massive in the negative. Just a hobby for them. Like buying a sports car or luxury yacht. Disposable income. GOM and Ethereal 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Dockers said: Not many horses are profitable Scooby.Only people thart make money on horses are breeders and trainer's and the very rare lucky owner. These big hitters have multiple horses and their balance sheets would be massive in the negative. Just a hobby for them. Like buying a sports car or luxury yacht. Disposable income. Nonsense i have bought and raced many and would say am still in front. Not everyone has disposable income..and just to let you know there are not to many trainers making money nowadays thats for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crucible 632 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: Nonsense i have bought and raced many and would say am still in front. haha Tui billboard globederby12, Shad, Dopey and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,539 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: Nonsense i have bought and raced many and would say am still in front. Not everyone has disposable income..and just to let you know there are not to many trainers making money nowadays thats for sure. You keep on going, must just be so lucky. Not many i know are in front, but then what would i know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockers 200 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: Nonsense i have bought and raced many and would say am still in front. Not everyone has disposable income..and just to let you know there are not to many trainers making money nowadays thats for sure. You would be an exception rather than the rule. But good luck to you. Any owner than comes out in front deserves all the success in the world. Very tough in NZ when you are paying close to 3k a month to train a horse and the prize money as we all know is not flash. Basically a horse needs to make about 30k a year or 120k in its racing life to break even. I love to know the percentage of horses that start that make 120k in their racing life. ? 5 percent or is that to generous ? GOM and Ethereal 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dockers said: You would be an exception rather than the rule. But good luck to you. Any owner than comes out in front deserves all the success in the world. Very tough in NZ when you are paying close to 3k a month to train a horse and the prize money as we all know is not flash. Basically a horse needs to make about 30k a year or 120k in its racing life to break even. I love to know the percentage of horses that start that make 120k in their racing life. ? 5 percent or is that to generous ? Thats why i stopped racing in NZ risk is way to high better to spread the risk and own a little piece of a few...hope one pays for the rest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crucible 632 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dockers said: You would be an exception rather than a rule. But good luck to you. Any owner than comes out in front deserves all the success in the world. Very tough in ND when you are paying close to 3k a month to train a horse and the prize money as we all know is not flash. Basically a horse needs to make about 30k a year or 120k in its racing life to break even. I love to know the percentage of horses that start that make 120k in their racing life. ? 5 percent or is that to generous ? Yep good call. We pay $3k in a month without any races. Head to the races one or twice in a month and the cost is significantly higher. My current horse is my last one. My guess would be significantly less than 5% of horses pay their way (if you're racing them and not selling them) GOM and La Zip 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Shad said: You keep on going, must just be so lucky. Not many i know are in front, but then what would i know. No I stopped have not raced one for a couple of years racing is shagged and too hard to even get square now with the low money on offer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockers 200 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: No I stopped have not raced one for a couple of years racing is shagged and too hard to even get square now with the low money on offer. I agree there. I only ever have a couple at a time and max 20 percent. There are some signs of improving stakes. Few Friday meetings offering 22k for r65 stakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,539 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: No I stopped have not raced one for a couple of years racing is shagged and too hard to even get square now with the low money on offer. Agree with that, for me its about the passion of racing, any win or placing or even just getting one to the races is a thrill like nothing else. Belinda 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockers 200 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Shad said: Agree with that, for me its about the passion of racing, any win or placing or even just getting one to the races is a thrill like nothing else. Agree mate. Amazing thrill. The missus just dosent get it lol. Irishbay, redrew2000 and Shad 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portfolio 728 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 Ellis not too happy with auctioneer's slow hammer movement on lot 331. Cost him a few thousand, you could tell what he said under his breath. Great viewing Black Kirrama 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portfolio 728 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 43 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: Nonsense i have bought and raced many and would say am still in front. Not everyone has disposable income..and just to let you know there are not to many trainers making money nowadays thats for sure. What were the ones you raced? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 Just now, Portfolio said: What were the ones you raced? Many, Star worship, Scandinavia, Love to dance,Amnesia,Moira Lee,Ketchikau,some of the better ones. Portfolio and Black Kirrama 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portfolio 728 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, scooby3051 said: Many, Star worship, Scandinavia, Love to dance,Amnesia,Moira Lee,Ketchikau,some of the better ones. Nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 Just now, Portfolio said: Nice. Most with the Bothwells had a lot of fun with having horses there....Jilly and Dick are legends. Portfolio and Hall 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,539 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, Dockers said: Agree mate. Amazing thrill. The missus just dosent get it lol. Ph Don't worry, there are plenty that dont, you couldn't never be in it for the money, thats for sure. Purely passion, nothing more. The photos you can't get to celebrate any win are priceless and you have them for life, reality is you can't just buy a win weather you spend a fortune or a pittance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjr 43 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 Point taken, however you need to look at the results 4 or 5 years after a sale to get a true reflection. Then a further cut 10 years later to take into account stud careers etc. Belinda 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,876 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Crucible said: haha Tui billboard Edited January 30, 2018 by Insider Deleted as Scooby had already answered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjr 43 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 3 hours ago, scooby3051 said: Many, Star worship, Scandinavia, Love to dance,Amnesia,Moira Lee,Ketchikau,some of the better ones. Some very distinguished horses in that list. I remember watching Love to Dance gallop in the mornings, she had some serious wheels. Back when Stratford was home to Lord Majestic, Silver Chalice, Dino Morcelli, Pakaraka Star and All in Fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy 52 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Shad said: Most of these horses will pushed to their limits, physically and mentally, at a very young age, guess there will be many that don't make it, through no fault of their own, seems a shame that time is not on their side. Time is not on my side lol 39 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: Most owners give the trainer 10% out of the sale price it is what we have always done when selling them... 5 hours ago, ivanthegreat said: Wonderful drama always a treat to watch all the theatre and adrenalin live on TV but when the lights go down and the ego's subside reality takes over for another year. Just a touch of reality ........... I looked at last years results and without being specific randomly selected 19 horses with a total sales value $5.5 million so the average was $305,500 + . To make the horses easier to " track " I made sure they were sold to Aust/NZ clients and also made sure they appeared in the Australian or NZ register. The following is bit of a summary after 12 months. 1) Named but Unraced 2) " " " 3)Named but Non Starter 4)Named 2nd in a 6 horse race 5)Named 2nd a 3rd and a 4th in 5 horse trials 6)Named but unraced 7) " " " 8) " " " 9) " " " 10) " " " 11) " " " 12) Unnamed and Unraced 13) Named but unraced 14) Unnamed and Unraced 15) " " " 16) " " " 17) " " " 18) " " " 19) Named but unraced We know they all don't make 2 year olds but they would have been prepared for the Karaka Million and have clearly all been tried. It is possible that some have been exported BUT its less likely than other scenario's. SHE'S A TOUGH GAME unless you win about 5 races. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, Tomjr said: Some very distinguished horses in that list. I remember watching Love to Dance gallop in the mornings, she had some serious wheels. Back when Stratford was home to Lord Majestic, Silver Chalice, Dino Morcelli, Pakaraka Star and All in Fun. Ya she was a machine.... but she nearly never got to the races she was so tough to break in!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...