Tool no. 1 92 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 Yes my memory is pretty good. I also remember Archer won the first two Melbourne Cups but he was racing before I was born. gubellini and Memphis2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryHindsight 117 Report post Posted January 14, 2018 That was good today .. " Needs the run , happy if it runs 4th " - very heavily supported in the last few minutes to win easily . Better if the just don't do the interview than mislead the mug public. Then again they are running out of mugs to play their game. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted January 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, HarryHindsight said: That was good today .. " Needs the run , happy if it runs 4th " - very heavily supported in the last few minutes to win easily . Better if the just don't do the interview than mislead the mug public. Then again they are running out of mugs to play their game. got the perfect run how cant it win if gets perfect run its got better races and doesn't want to peak to earlier Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryHindsight 117 Report post Posted January 14, 2018 35 minutes ago, mr_gee said: got the perfect run how cant it win if gets perfect run its got better races and doesn't want to peak to earlier The betting fluctuation tells the story. FF 3.4 @ the jump La Zip 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted January 14, 2018 17 hours ago, HarryHindsight said: The betting fluctuation tells the story. FF 3.4 @ the jump and it happens with a ..... load horses from other stables to think your reading mountain of molehill lots were smashed there as well as weekend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, mr_gee said: and it happens with a ..... load horses from other stables to think your reading mountain of molehill lots were smashed there as well as weekend and come to think about it wouldnt take much to change market of that price especially in nz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtab 95 Report post Posted January 15, 2018 What horse we talking about ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted January 15, 2018 3 hours ago, dbtab said: What horse we talking about ? the horse the tread is named after Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryHindsight 117 Report post Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 4:15 PM, mr_gee said: On 1/14/2018 at 4:03 PM, HarryHindsight said: That was good TODAY .. " Needs the run , happy if it runs 4th " - very heavily supported in the last few minutes to win easily . Better if the just don't do the interview than mislead the mug public. Then again they are running out of mugs to play their game. I am sorry I was not talking about Smart Patch as I thought the word TODAY written yesterday was enough to suggest it was another horse. 6's (I am happy to be corrected) into 3.4 on FF . Can't remember one tumble quicker Just lucky I suppose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted January 15, 2018 https://www.nzracing.co.nz/Common/SystemTemplates/Modal/Video.aspx?v=http%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f201801%2f20180112MATA06_BB.mp4&i=%2fCommon%2fImage.ashx%3fw%3d720%26h%3d400%26a%3d1%26o%3d1%26bg%3deeeeee%26p%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f201801%2f20180112MATA06_BB.jpg&r=Race+6+-+CHELTENHAM+STABLES+1100M&s=http%3ahttp%3a%2f%2fwww.nzracing.co.nz%2fRaceInfo%2f46496%2f6%2fRace-Detail.aspx%23bm-video dock leaf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted January 15, 2018 16 hours ago, HarryHindsight said: theres been a lot recently i study tote fluctuations a lot wasnt the only horse that got smacked at that meeting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted January 15, 2018 The Trainer cannot possibly tell you if his horse is going to win. He has no control over outside influences - other horses, trainers, jockeys etc. So why rely on him for your betting assumptions. Tommy Smith probably told the owner of Kingston Town that it was a certainty to win the MC. What he didn't know was MJ trying to lead the length of the straight on a top weight, only to be nutted by a masterly ride from "The Enforcer" on Gurners Lane ! (God bless his soul). I don't want my trainers telling me my horse is going to win or lose. All I need to know is, " Is the horse ready?". If he says he's as fit and ready as I can have him, then I can make my own assessment re the opposition, barriers, likely speed map etc. I don't think LAO'S has to answer to anything. In my opinion, being happy to run 4th says to me it's capable of winning - depending on my assessment of the field. Give him a break please. gubellini, Ponderosa8, Aaron Bidlake and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Trump said: The Trainer cannot possibly tell you if his horse is going to win. He has no control over outside influences - other horses, trainers, jockeys etc. So why rely on him for your betting assumptions. Tommy Smith probably told the owner of Kingston Town that it was a certainty to win the MC. What he didn't know was MJ trying to lead the length of the straight on a top weight, only to be nutted by a masterly ride from "The Enforcer" on Gurners Lane ! (God bless his soul). I don't want my trainers telling me my horse is going to win or lose. All I need to know is, " Is the horse ready?". If he says he's as fit and ready as I can have him, then I can make my own assessment re the opposition, barriers, likely speed map etc. I don't think LAO'S has to answer to anything. In my opinion, being happy to run 4th says to me it's capable of winning - depending on my assessment of the field. Give him a break please. well said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Trump said: The Trainer cannot possibly tell you if his horse is going to win. He has no control over outside influences - other horses, trainers, jockeys etc. So why rely on him for your betting assumptions. Tommy Smith probably told the owner of Kingston Town that it was a certainty to win the MC. What he didn't know was MJ trying to lead the length of the straight on a top weight, only to be nutted by a masterly ride from "The Enforcer" on Gurners Lane ! (God bless his soul). I don't want my trainers telling me my horse is going to win or lose. All I need to know is, " Is the horse ready?". If he says he's as fit and ready as I can have him, then I can make my own assessment re the opposition, barriers, likely speed map etc. I don't think LAO'S has to answer to anything. In my opinion, being happy to run 4th says to me it's capable of winning - depending on my assessment of the field. Give him a break please. Clearly you didn't hear the interview and that is what the thread is all about NOBODY will convince me that the horses ability was clearly understated. For what purpose. As I began by stating I made it the bet of the day until I heard a very underwhelming comment about its chances. As for the Melbourne Cup analogy goes can I state that I never have a bet in that raffle for the reasons you outlined. Its nominated for the Wellington meeting in FEB but I bet we never see it again until it appears in HK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 and if he said it was going win and didnt your still complain admin can you please close this thread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
100 1 1,386 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 Ha... all trainers are wealthy because they know when their horse is going to win! The only question asked should be what % chance has your horse got of winning......and most would'nt have a clue The only relevant info ATM from an interview is the riding instructions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryHindsight 117 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 5 hours ago, mr_gee said: theres been a lot recently i study tote fluctuations a lot wasnt the only horse that got smacked at that meeting In your study what feeds did you write to database ? Have you got any statistics or anything useful you wish to share on the correlation between shorteners -drifters to winners ? API or XML or both ? no idea ? Some do write it all to database but I would think they wouldn't waste their time here. I don't even think you know which horse I was talking about that raced on Sunday but don't let that stop you trying to kill the thread . dock leaf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,680 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 Andrew Scott to the Informant today--"He had been working as though he would perform very well" - not well, but very well! --suggests to me that a battling 4th was not the expected outcome. LAO'S needs to liaise with his training partner a little better? dock leaf and ivanthegreat 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryHindsight 117 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 TBH it is all part of The Game . Always has been and always will be . Either adapt or get use to using the deposit button. Those that are defending it are either deluded or have other motives. ivanthegreat 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny 1,224 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 Looks like they landed a punt - well done I say Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,680 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 And that was not a close result, it was a towelling you don't see often.Didn't Dummy cop a penalty for under-playing Stacey Jones's chances? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtab 95 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 They knew how good the horse was and made a great punt ,not many first starters win like that and Lance was not giving anything away end of story ivanthegreat and Turny 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talk 308 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, chevy86 said: And that was not a close result, it was a towelling you don't see often.Didn't Dummy cop a penalty for under-playing Stacey Jones's chances? Kevin Myers acknowledged he deliberately misled the public. Turny 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dock leaf 142 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, turny said: Looks like they landed a punt - well done I say 53 minutes ago, hesi said: A dying Game, of course, especially amongst the Generation X, who are not so stupid, that they cannot see that this goes on, and unless you are 'in the know', you are disadvantaged. I don't get how Turny thinks this clever, Ivan sounds like a decent punter and as we all know - NZ racing doesn't have enough of them. But this is just another reason for him to quit. Then Lance will be left to wonder why the silly punters aren't generating his stake money. ivanthegreat and hedley 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny 1,224 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 Dock Leaf, we all know the odds - beating them is the game - frankly if you rely on Trackside interviews you are in big trouble. I had the horse in my first three - but had a question over him - proven wrong but not the first time and won't be the last Good luck to them they landed a plunge - well done Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...