ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 Had this marked as the bet of the day prior to hearing L O'Sullivan's comments during his interview with Des Coppins. this morning Love to hear it again.................... Not the first time this fella has given Joe public the swerve AND it wont be the last. Hope you made heaps and glad to see you've found that ole cow paddock again. chevy86 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tool no. 1 92 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 I heard that interview also. The best of his horses today he said was clearly Show N Go who gets well beaten into fourth and the race was won by stablemate Slow Hands paying $11 on the tote. He is either a very poor judge or .......... I was drinking at the local today with a mate who multied up his three Patch horses - Jewel, Wisdom finishing with Smart for $50 to return $4150. He was fidgety going into the third multi leg but 200 metres from the finish let out a roar as Smart went woosh and the race was over. Very impressive win. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 Yes, this is a bad look for an industry that’s already struggling with a credibility issue. I would suggest stewards / RIU need to have a bit of a chat with said trainer...not the partner but the senior license holder...leaves a very taste in punters mouth? You would need to think twice before considering any further investment re this stable but then again the “junior”partner perhaps forgot to tell the senior trainer how good the horse is? Also, it would be interesting to see the betting moves on this race although I’m guessing it was backed offshore. gary1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoKnows 791 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 How much does Lance actually know though? Although he is a part trainer it doesn't mean he knows any more about how the horses are actually going than the stable staff who are probably more hands on with the horses and could offer more insight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portfolio 728 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 Yep, better to say he cant split them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy 52 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 Wouldnt matter what Lance said damned if you do damned if you don't napier 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
napier 339 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, hizzy said: Wouldnt matter what Lance said damned if you do damned if you don't Exactly Hizzy.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, WhoKnows said: How much does Lance actually know though? Although he is a part trainer it doesn't mean he knows any more about how the horses are actually going than the stable staff who are probably more hands on with the horses and could offer more insight. What a complete load of bollocks... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 It's not the first example of this in my extensive experience and after reading the story below you'll see why I feel compelled to report this. I was on a business trip to Hamilton about 7 or 8 years ago and after my only appointment went to the races getting there after race 2 from memory. I had a pie whilst flicking through the Best Bets ( as you do ) and after getting out of the car met the fella in the next car in the car park. We had a good old chin wag covering everything topical to racing that year and after about half an hour he said he had to get going. I said " do you fancy anything ? " he replied by saying " yeah my horse " It will win alright........ I said O'h thank you I'll throw a tener on it. He replied by saying its probably worth more than that. Great !! So I looked the horse up and it was first pick everywhere but I thought at least its not waiting for next week and the owner is backing it. Horse absolutely bolted in like a top horse . Later that afternoon I ran into the son of an old mate who came up and said hello. He said he had come to the course to back a certain horse and after hearing the trainers comments backed something else. Guess what........ YOUV'E GOT IT . SAME HORSE. That is why I am sensitised to the matter. I for one would be very interested to see any betting patterns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherry_bomb 89 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 Nothing for free in this world. If you want to know how well they are going consider changing routine to get up at 4am with a stopwatch and notebook Figuring out which stables like a punt and who likes to try to put the punters away is part of the game. Where does it end up, a declaration of financial interests on each runner from owners amd trainers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tool no. 1 92 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 42 minutes ago, Sandpiper said: Nothing for free in this world. If you want to know how well they are going consider changing routine to get up at 4am with a stopwatch and notebook Figuring out which stables like a punt and who likes to try to put the punters away is part of the game. Where does it end up, a declaration of financial interests on each runner from owners amd trainers Agree to a certain extent but I find Andrew Forsman always very honest with his assessments and usually bang on the money when labelling one with Pete and Alby on a Saturday morning. I also have heard that the Baker / Forsman stable is a big punting stable and Andrew Forsman is well on the way to a freehold house so not every trainer gives you the steer intentionally. Shaune Ritchie is also always very honest. Lance O'Sullivan clearly said on radio yesterday morning that Smart Patch would benefit from the run and he would be very surprised if it won. Now for the horse to come out and absolutely donkey lick a field that had a lot of smart trial form doesn't sit well with me. ivanthegreat and La Zip 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloke 1,232 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 Lance always had a way with words. Remember Ligero winning the Auckland Cup and the subsequent inquiry where he put Perry Mason to shame. chevy86 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtab 95 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 I heard the interview and backed Smart Patch ,Lucky me/I do not trust trainers giving winners on tv. I do remember running into A Scott at Paeroa just before Xmas one year and asked if he had a xmas winner told me one in the 3rd was a certain winner ,dead last stablemate won paying $14.50 see my drift ivanthegreat 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 Bit of paranoia creeping into this thread. I heard the interview with Lance en route to Matamata yesterday. I found his answers to questions posed well thought out and honest. Memo to anyone thinking he was giving the swerve on any of his horses- GET A LIFE! scooby3051 and napier 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdt 291 Report post Posted January 12, 2018 Surely the answer here is that if you like a horse go with it anyway regardless of what a trainer may or may not say. So much can happen during any given race that makes pre-race comments irrelevant. gubellini 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 2 hours ago, gubellini said: Bit of paranoia creeping into this thread. I heard the interview with Lance en route to Matamata yesterday. I found his answers to questions posed well thought out and honest. Memo to anyone thinking he was giving the swerve on any of his horses- GET A LIFE! With due respect I am only interested in this one horse , I am pleased others heard the interview as well. There is no need to conduct yourself like Jack and Bill Winder these days we have Fixed Odds Betting so after you have the loot on tell the bloody world. Without the punters there is no farting race industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 ivanthegreat take your blinkers off and remove the patch from your eye! Smart Patch had failed to win any of his three trials.He drew 1 which sometimes is not the best draw for an inexperienced horse in its debut. Lance wasn’t hiding anything from the public! He gave an honest assessment of the horses chance. Horses can make liars of you! elbow and mr_gee 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 In a contrast, earlier this morning Tom Davernig from Lindsay Park was asked what was the stable’s best for the day and he quickly said, Jacinquot Bay, a 10YO that hasn’t won in a little while...and duly saluted... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 he said that because hes got better things in store and probably more ground he couldn't help that he got soft rin and killed them , no a few in race that were left shaking there heads from there horses to but if you think that needs reporting hmm bangs head Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tool no. 1 92 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 2 hours ago, gubellini said: He gave an honest assessment of the horses chance. Well if it was an honest assessment he is a terrible judge. The horse won like Mainbrace. ivanthegreat 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 Tool no. 1 you are wrong! Smart Patch won his debut yesterday by 5 lengths. Mainbrace only ran third in his debut on 1/10/49 at Te Aroha beaten three lengths by the Dead Heaters The Unicorn and Correspond. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tool no. 1 92 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, gubellini said: Tool no. 1 you are wrong! Smart Patch won his debut yesterday by 5 lengths. Mainbrace only ran third in his debut on 1/10/49 at Te Aroha beaten three lengths by the Dead Heaters The Unicorn and Correspond. No sir you are wrong. I didn't say like Mainbrace having it's first start I was talking about Mainbrace when it beat The Unicorn in the Avondale Guineas as the second favourite a week later. First start Mainbrace was as big as a bull, Jack wasn't trying very hard and the horse came back to scale blowing his head off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 Tool no 1 sorry to be pedantic but Mainbrace’s second start was in the 2yo Welcome Stakes at Ellerslie on 8/10/49.He won by five lengths from Correspond and Nom De Plume with The Unicorn fourth. He won the Avondale Guineas at his ninth start on 9/9/50 beating Zenith and Miss Kanui with The Unicorn fourth. I know it was a long time ago but you are re-inventing history. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tool no. 1 92 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, gubellini said: Tool no 1 sorry to be pedantic but Mainbrace’s second start was in the 2yo Welcome Stakes at Ellerslie on 8/10/49.He won by five lengths from Correspond and Nom De Plume with The Unicorn fourth. He won the Avondale Guineas at his ninth start on 9/9/50 beating Zenith and Miss Kanui with The Unicorn fourth. I know it was a long time ago but you are re-inventing history. Yes correct second start one week later won by 5 lengths as I said just like Smart Patch. I knew it beat The Unicorn just got the name of the race wrong which is the only thing I did get wrong as you have just proved by reading it from a book. I was going from memory. ivanthegreat and La Zip 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 Tool no 1 good on you! Your memory is pretty good. Mainbrace was racing before I was born. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...