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Is this How our neighbours really see us...

 I recall a person who came into our club and was sitting at the leaner
and watching the horses on the TV. I observe his betting and I'm not
sure our clubs TAB turnover has been so high or ever will be again. I
introduced myself and he told me he was living in Australia. We talked
about the state of racing in NZ and that was the start of his rant on
NZ racing and how we were a bunch of amateurs and that he and all his
associates never put a cent on NZ racing.

Points he made that I can remember were Jockeys here are not up to the
standard and most wouldn't ride in Aussie, he accepted that we did
have some good riders but most wouldn't get a ride in Aussie. Track
bias was so evident on so many of our tracks. Reporting by stripes was
poor, with some instances not reported and horses performing badly
with no reports, horse quality was rubbish. Horse information and
sectional times not up to world standards. There were other points
which I would only be guessing but it got me thinking more seriously
about what he said and to be honest he not to far off the mark.

I took 6 people out to the Boxing day races. I was the only person
that had any understanding of how to read form and to give the group
some understanding of bet types etc. I was totally aggrieved with the
track after a few races, I blamed the track manger for over watering
and thought how bad could it get that on the biggest day we get serve
this crap up and basically gave up betting and starting drinking
(depressed). My group loved the day they had no idea on horses or
track conditions and any other variables but all agreed that racing
was so difficult to understand when I showed them the race book and
then I try to explain all the abbreviated terms within and they go
where the hell is the bar I just back names. One of the group took
Irish Mist as I am half Irish and thought it was a omen. Later in the
day he took Authentic Paddy as some mates call me Paddy, he thought
racing was great. The other mates loved the day and we are now making
it an annual event. The food is average but it was acceptable and the
beer was priced ok other than waiting in long cues for a beer it was a
great day stuffed up by drowning the bloody track and then rain
arriving.

 Found this article on www.racingandsports.com. I couldn't say it any
better and reflects what the person I meet in my club said about NZ
racing. When I grew up we were the pinnacle and envy of most racing
countries, oh how it has all changed.

Another quote by the same author...There has been way too much wet
track or poorly presented or over-watered G1 racing so far this season
in New Zealand and surely enough is enough with this dumping of so
much water on a track close to raceday. The desperation or
inexplicable need to beat or defy weather on racetracks is almost like
a pandemic of global gallops spoiling or a communicable climate change
disease of sheer asininity. If you cannot beat the weather then why
bother trying as all it does is ruin the form worth totally, curb
wagering enthusiasm alarmingly and shrink audience participation to
near boutique sport numbers. Watering so much so close to G1
racemeetings is akin to too many cooks spoil the broth and since they
have it backwards and upside down these days too many broths spoil the
cook.

Synopsis: Zabeel Classic:
This G1 at WFA over 2000m saw almost not one position in the running
change at the line and on a poorly presented and performing Ellerslie
track continued the demise of favourites all day. Not one favourite
won all day as the track looked off and behaved very tricky after a
little rain with that watering in the lead up once again causing chaos
for bettors and they are the life blood of the sport.

The WFA depth has been dreadful for ages in New Zealand the result
today only confirmed the obvious plus showed racetracks and bias are
rampant with just a little rain causing all hell to break loose for
bettors. Authentic Paddy, an 8yo that not won a race since April of
2016 and that came at G3 in the South Island at Riccarton, led and was
allowed to canter around before making it a 400m sprint home. He had
raced at G1 a staggering eighteen times prior to today for five
placings (two seconds and three thirds). He won by a length and a
quarter and clocked a very pedestrian 2:06.321 so what the other
riders were doing or thinking defies belief and it must be they had
zero confidence in their mounts to be able to do any work in the
running. Today was the eleventh win for Authentic Paddy from
seventy-seven starts so it is not like as a well-tried 8yo that he has
improved and it seems the depth is non-existent and everything gets a
turn these days.

Lizzie L’Amour sat second and finished in that placing after going up
to lodge a bid at the 200m and looking likely. Volkstok’n’barrell
after sitting fifth the inner got through to third at the 200m and
held that position albeit beaten three and a half lengths. Consensus
trailed the leaders but like many on the day when drawn out did not
ping at all and finished fourth beaten almost seven and a half
lengths. The margins showed the track was biased and off and the tepid
rate the race was allowed to be run at just exacerbated the poor
visual nature of the race the run home and at the finish. It was a
poor spectacle indeed for a G1 race over Summer when the audience is
bigger than normal. Benzini was one of the very few to run on a shade
from back on the inner but he came through to fifth at the 200m and
was beaten over eight lengths at the line. Stolen Dance plugged on and
Sofia Rosa did too with the latter in foal. Hi Flyer the favourite was
awful and never looked a hope at his first G1 under WFA outing and
first look at 200m. He is very one-dimensional and needs a solid pace
to bury his rivals so his options are shrinking and as for WFA and at
middle distance no one is the wiser as a massive asterisk of doubt is
already on him.

 Chance To Dance after doing a bit of work early stopped badly and his
effort was blatant proof the track was awful as he had won prior at G3
under WFA and third home that day was Authentic Paddy. He somehow lost
over thirteen lengths in the interim and that is simply not acceptable
as fair dinkum. Endean Rose stopped badly too after being wide early
and it was not a proper reflection surely or else the G1 WFA form in
New Zealand is worse than even thought. She was third at G1 under WFA
at 2040m at Hastings in October behind Wait A Sec and Gingernuts and
sixth that day two lengths behind her was none other than Authentic
Paddy.

This whole meeting today needs a line drawn through it as the track
was so biased and poorly presented and performing. The WFA depth in
New Zealand has been poor for many years but could be at its lowest
ebb with old handicappers winning now at this level (Close Up an 8yo
gelding, Wait A Sec a 7yo gelding and Authentic Paddy an 8yo gelding)
to name a trio). It is like the movie Cocoon is happening at not just
the WFA level but Open Handicaps in staying and even sprinting racing
in New Zealand as nothing seems to be coming through to replenish the
old guard. If the 3yo depth was not so dubious too this season it
could be the only explanation for the younger horses not to have a
crack at a clearly ripe for the picking WFA, as the older well tried
handicappers are having a real Last Of The Summer Wine season so far.

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Great.  Dufficy still moans every week or at least regularly about track bias and the Sheik lost $120m.  Dodgy characters pervade the place as Cassidy and James Macdonald are well aware.  Aussie racing is all things to all men all right.

It's good but let's not get the idea it is racing paradise.

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Bestbets the points you make are the very reason you should be punting on NZ racing, different tracks and conditions means there are decent overs if you are prepared to work and because the market is smalll you are only up against 1 or 2 odds setters and very few big players the margins are huge compared to aus where there are numerous large smart players who take out the early value if they can get on. 

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3 minutes ago, LOANCRUSHER said:

Bestbets the points you make are the very reason you should be punting on NZ racing, different tracks and conditions means there are decent overs if you are prepared to work and because the market is smalll you are only up against 1 or 2 odds setters and very few big players the margins are huge compared to aus where there are numerous large smart players who take out the early value if they can get on. 

Unfortunately there is no real logic to NZ form regardless of how much work you put in.

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