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Star Way - et al

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As a follow up to the earlier post Sir Tristram - et al a couple of line breeding principles (repeated below) demonstrated how searching for constant factors in a stallions best progeny can provide clues as to what lines he is looking for in the mares he is mated with.

(1) A stallion can be particularly strong to certain lines in his pedigree and responds to mares who carry that line in the opposite strain.

(2) That ancestor may be well back in the pedigree but will be effective if duplicated in sufficient numbers.

This analysis can also provide clues as to how a stallions son will throw when he in turn goes to stud.

So lets start with a pair of Star Appeals Gr.1 performers:

Kamiros - '82 Colt

Madam Gay - '78 Filly

Both horses are similar with line breeding through opposite strains of La Farina (Kamiros) and his sire Sans Souci (Madam Gay)

Both also carry a line of Blue Peter whose third dam Santa Maura is a full sister to St Florian who is repeated six times in Sternas pedigree.

Refer (2) above.

The effective line breeding in Star Ways most successful progeny seem to have coalesced around these families.

More to follow.

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With balanced line breeding to La Farina/Sans Souci and St Florian/Santa Maura in the two examples above, the question then becomes would Star Way carry these lines on. It appears he could do so, with either or both. He got good performers when bred with mares with a female strain of Sans Souci, on its own or in conjunction with St Florians full sisters Santa Maura and or Siphonia and vice versa. Herewith in no particular order a number of his Gr.1 performers illustrating all of the foregoing.

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Its not surprising Star Ways multiple lines of St Florian meant he would pick up the full sisters Santa Maura and Siphonia in his mares, but why Sans Souci?? The answer may lie with his damsire St. Serf.

Many years ago Ian, a son of St. Serf found his way to New Zealand. Ian died in 1920 and in the broodmare section of the 1921 NZ Stud Book had only two daughters listed. Remarkably, despite that barren landscape Star Way managed to find him - not once but twice, thus providing the male strain of St. Serf to balance Star Ways two female strains - and two more Gr.1 performers in Filante and Star Board.

 

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Nimue (and full relatives Smiling Like, Eurostar, etc) provide further clues as to the recurring presence of Sans Souci in some of Star Ways best performers. Star Board and Filante point to the influence of Sans Soucis damsire St. Serf and Nimue certainly adds weight to the argument. She is correctly line bred through Donatello with his male lines of Santa Brigida, and the crucial female strain coming through Mid-day Suns dam line.

However what sits in behind gives us additional insight:

Santa Brigidas dam Bridget is a full sister to Melton.

Bridgets second dam Violet is a full sister to Feronia.

For the sake of clarity and lack of space not all of these duplications are shown on Nimues pedigree page however the structure of the line breeding is evident. Star Way himself has 26 female strains of Violet and Feronia - but the only male strain comes through St. Serf.

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To be involved in this business we must all be dummies. A very plausible argument can be made for Selene given Star Appeals male line descends from Bosworth a son of Serenissima, and Rockefellas line of Hyperion provides the female strain through Selene. The argument can be further advanced given Neckars third dam is by Grand Parade whos second dam Grand Marnier is a full sister to the dam of Minoru - the sire of Serenissima. The circle is then completed with Star Ways damline providing a female strain of Selene. The burning question then becomes how does this line breeding manifest itself through an opposite strain in the dams Star Way is mated with that go on to perform on the track. The logic is impeccable but the constant factors (Sans Souci / St Florian) in the relatively large sample size suggests these influences dominate. However he who pays the service fee decides!

Trust this helps.

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What is the point of all this?

As described earlier in the thread when a stallions strongest lines are understood (in this case St. Florian and Sans Souci) mares he is mated with carrying the opposite strain appear to do best.

Herewith two examples that demonstrate this in practice. 

In Starjos pedigree (above) his line of Sans Souci comes through Vieux Manoir. Pakaraka Star one of Starjos best is correctly line bred to Vieux Manoir thus carrying forward the Sans Souci in the background through an opposite strain.

In Sky Chases pedigree (above) his line of Santa Maura comes through Illustrious. Phenomenal View a talented but unsound (if memory serves) galloper is correctly line bred to her full brother Davey Jones thus carrying forward the Santa Maura in the background through an opposite strain.

Both examples of breeding principles at work, how the strongest lines in a stallion can be carried forward in succeeding generations and provide useful pointers in selecting suitable broodmares.

The duplications, in this case Vieux Manoir and Davey Jones make little sense on their own.

Understanding what lies behind them is the key.

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What is the point of all this (2)

Sky Chase is typical of the good Star Ways with his linebreeding to Sans Souci and Santa Maura. Saintly is one of his best. Saintlys dam adds a line of Siphonia and Buckwheat - but Sky Chase has already effectively "used up" those lines. (Nothing is added through an opposite strain) Nimues pedigree provides the clue - she is line bred through Donatello to Violet. (Her two female strains of Donatello rely on Mid-day-Suns female strain of Santa Brigida to make it work)

Saintly however is correctly line bred to Donatello through male and female strains. What does Donatello have to do with Sans Souci? Essentially Sans Souci, Ayrshire, and Melton all have line breeding to St. Ledger winner Newminster and his full sister, 1000 Guineas place getter Honeysuckle. Donatello shows us how these duplications multiplying in the background can be carried forward - and as always through an opposite strain.

(Notably Beeswing started 63 times for 51 wins and 9 placings)

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What is the point of all this? (3)

In an earlier post the question was posed: Have breeding principles really changed over the centuries? An analysis of pedigree both past and present would suggest not. Why the current focus on Star Way? His pedigree (particularly the German lines) and how they expressed themselves at stud provide very important clues for understanding both Monsun and his progeny.

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