shelley 43 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 12 hours ago, gary1 said: shelley how you feeling just the same Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 It seems people have forgotten about the 2007 or 2008 incident pretty fast that just so happened to involve the same kennels Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelley 43 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 31 minutes ago, Joe blogs said: sounds like your the man himself No they all want to jump in as for been on the news ,lets all wait till the conclusion, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 50 minutes ago, greyhoundlover said: Wheel nuts were loosened three times and two seperate trainers and there employees are lucky to be alive. Greyhound trainers have lied on tv before. I believe that this is no different. media shows what they want to and it happens regularly that they don’t always have all the facts. Let’s just see the end result before jumping to conclusions. dont you realise glover damage is already done alltheway!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 shelly you have seen the tv program are you saying they are not real your grand daughter works there in the weekends do you think he would do it in front of her just rember he has been charge for life baiting before alltheway!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, shelley said: No they all want to jump in as for been on the news ,lets all wait till the conclusion, conclusion will mean nothing the sports image is already tarnished cant you hear the rumblings the antis will have a field day with this alltheway!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Joe blogs said: shelly you have seen the tv program are you saying they are not real your grand daughter works there in yhe weekends do you think he would do it in front of her just rember he has neen charge for lifr baiting before is that correct Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelley 43 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, gary1 said: conclusion will mean nothing the sports image is already tarnished cant you hear the rumblings the antis will have a field day with this yess now lets think about that,, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Joe blogs said: shelly you have seen the tv program are you saying they are not real your grand daughter works there in yhe weekends do you think he would do it in front of her just rember he has neen charge for lifr baiting before Was he charged? Thought they just banned cellphone noises from occuring on tracks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 yes Cole has been charged before for live baiting but got off Emotive 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, shelley said: just the same hows those photos still illegal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 1 minute ago, gary1 said: hows those photos still illegal Does it matter whether or not they are illegal when every joe blog in the country has now seen them lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelley 43 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, Joe blogs said: shelly you have seen the tv program are you saying they are not real your grand daughter works there in the weekends do you think he would do it in front of her just rember he has been charge for life baiting before never saw the tv program.and yes damage has been done to the industy and was that the whole idea i wonder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, shelley said: never saw the tv program.and yes damage has been done to the industy and was that the whole idea i wonder So its the people who got the photos fault and not the person doing it? Get a grip. Emotive and gary1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 20 minutes ago, Joe blogs said: yes Cole has been charged before for live baiting but got off lucky tv3 didnt know about that probably do now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotive 306 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 28 minutes ago, gary1 said: hows those photos still illegal Given that a previous poster stated it is believed the neighbour gave permission for the investigator to take photos from his/her property, no trespassing occurred. From the google shot of the property in question, you can see that is probably the case because the branches in the photos are on the boundary line. I would question why the neighbour gave permission? And was there a witness on the camera? Will make interesting reading. Unfortunately, the writing is now on the wall for the sport. alltheway!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedley 1,900 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 http://newsie.co.nz/news/71418-top-greyhound-trainer-investigated-livebaiting.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman 1,352 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 Nothing more than a witch hunt here Hedley. Lets look at the evidence thus far. Some blurry poor quality photos of what appears to be B Cole and another person tying something on the end of a line. It could be an untanned skin from a shot or dead rabbit, or for that matter, a road kill. Then again it could be Grannies old fur coat chopped up, it could also be artificial fur, or an old rag. We have two employees giving evidence, one a former worker whom has his voice disguised and face hidden claiming Cole live baited whilst he worked there with chickens on a weekly basis. The other employee defends Cole and says he never ever saw any evidence of this practice, who do you believe. Now I am not defending Cole for one minute, what I am defending is the facts in this matter, and from what I know of the case, they seem to be few and far between. It appears Cole is guilty of winning to many races, and dominating the CD, and the roots of this investigation is born out of jealousy. It has become a lynch mob mentality. Again I say, regardless whether Cole is guilty or not, this whole fiasco, and the lack of real evidence shows just how dangerous this has become to all and sundry connected to the sport. The NZGRA need to put up, or shut up. They have had months to wind this up, instead they have allowed rumour and lie's to take over. greyhoundlover, lad27, Jabba2 and 5 others 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/66485308/racing-dogs-spurred-on-by-cellphone-tone Top CD trainer? I wonder who this was? Emotive 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 Your a forgiving soul aquaman. One bloke taints the whole greyhound industry and you blame it all on the fact that others are jealous of his success. Instead of looking out for the best interests of the industry it appears you think these jealous witnesses have some sort of agenda to bring down an industry because of envy.Interesting theory. One of the witnesses said he had worked for others and never been involved in such practices until working for cole. Did your industry not learn anything from the fallout in australia? I would have thought it common sense that trainers go on the offensive and make it clear to all and sundry that if true this behavior will not be tolerated, we instead have a lot looking for reasons not to believe it. Amazing the head in the sand approach going on here. tonkatime, gary1, Emotive and 1 other 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOM 1,017 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 What we have actually is a lot of trainers being sensible and waiting for the outcome, just because they choose not to join the lynch mob does not mean they do not care about the outcome. uddes 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman 1,352 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, what a post said: Your a forgiving soul aquaman. One bloke taints the whole greyhound industry and you blame it all on the fact that others are jealous of his success. Instead of looking out for the best interests of the industry it appears you think these jealous witnesses have some sort of agenda to bring down an industry because of envy.Interesting theory. One of the witnesses said he had worked for others and never been involved in such practices until working for cole. Did your industry not learn anything from the fallout in australia? I would have thought it common sense that trainers go on the offensive and make it clear to all and sundry that if true this behavior will not be tolerated, we instead have a lot looking for reasons not to believe it. Amazing the head in the sand approach going on here. Nothing to forgive whata post, more's the shame. Are you suggesting that L P's should be put out without charges, and scant little evidence?. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandad47 48 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 Like any law abiding citizen, whether involved in the greyhound industry or not, I find the allegations against Mr Cole very disappointing and if true put the livelihood of many good, honest, hardworking people in jeopardy. As well we will loose respect for our industry. One has to question his motives and integrity. Surely a simple and honest statement of all the facts from his perspective is all that is needed. Failure to do this is very damaging to us all. modest mouse, tonkatime, alltheway!!! and 3 others 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,863 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 Lets wait for the outcome of the case first otherwise I will shut it down...thanks...innocent until proven otherwise... end of story. Hall, Gary Sharp, hizzy and 1 other 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOM 1,017 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 Thank God for that comment Scoobs. What about sub judice people. This is ridiculous with people on here quoting each other as matter of fact when it is still speculation. The media is disgusting having judged and condemned Coles without trial. In any other realm of the law in NZ this would have been enough for the case not to go ahead as how are Coles to get a FAIR trial. What say you Em? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...