Berri 2,131 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 5 hours ago, 2Admin2 said: So if Chris Waller was training to last season's weight with Winx he would have been wrong by 11kgs. Correct? As I said weight is only one factor. Idiot...everyone knows that as a horse gets older they carry more weight. That's what you call physiological progression. This years racing weight may differ due to this....probably much like the swelling contained by your belt. You're no hope... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, Berri said: Idiot...everyone knows that as a horse gets older they carry more weight. That's what you call physiological progression. This years racing weight may differ due to this....probably much like the swelling contained by your belt. You're no hope... Professor - how do you decide what is the optimum weight? Signed idiot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 41 minutes ago, Berri said: Idiot...everyone knows that as a horse gets older they carry more weight. That's what you call physiological progression. This years racing weight may differ due to this....probably much like the swelling contained by your belt. You're no hope... i dont think thats right in every issue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 46 minutes ago, Berri said: Idiot...everyone knows that as a horse gets older they carry more weight. That's what you call physiological progression. This years racing weight may differ due to this....probably much like the swelling contained by your belt. You're no hope... have you checked able friend did he get heavier Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
100 1 1,386 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 9 hours ago, Berri said: Horses have a skeletal muscular structure that at some point operate at an optimal level. Most horses have differing weights but are genetically within a range due to the limited genetic pool (3 stallions and 40 broodmares). Different trainers and food types have an influence over the ability for a horse to perform at a top level for the individual horse. The body condition and fitness is materially influenced by the management of both of these. Good trainers know how to optimise both. At a horse's peak ability, the body will have a weight that is genetically expressed. Less than, or more than this weight will have a correlation to performance. Depending on the grade of race and the opposition, the horse will need to be at their best to perform well. In the top grade (Gp 1) where all horses need to be at their optimal performance, fitness wise, to win, 10kgs difference from their optimal performance weight will make a difference. There you go Berri Won group races 1244 -1301 57lb difference...so tell us what his optimum racing performance weight is.....maybe the trainers an idiot? Horse Form Records - ABLE FRIEND Race Index Pla. Date RC/Track/ Course Dist. G Race Class Dr Rtg. Trainer Jockey LBW Win Odds Act. Wt. Running Position Finish Time Declar. Horse Wt. Gear Video Replay 16/17 Season 501 WV 19/03/2017 ST / "Turf" / "A " 1400 GY 1 -- 127 J Moore S Clipperton -- --- 133 -- -- -- -- -- 446 02 26/02/2017 ST / "Turf" / "B " 1400 G G1 3 130 J Moore J Moreira 3/4 2.1 126 6 6 4 2 1.21.45 1276 TT/CP 379 03 30/01/2017 ST / "Turf" / "B " 1600 G G1 12 133 J Moore J Moreira 1-1/4 4.6 126 11 10 9 3 1.34.59 1276 TT1/CP 256 06 11/12/2016 ST / "Turf" / "A " 1600 G G1 14 136 J Moore J Moreira 2 3.2 126 12 13 12 6 1.33.78 1256 CP 201 04 20/11/2016 ST / "Turf" / "B+2 " 1200 G G2 2 138 J Moore T Berry 2-1/4 6.6 123 7 6 4 1.08.61 1261 CP 15/16 Season 250 03 13/12/2015 ST / "Turf" / "A " 1600 G G1 10 138 J Moore J Moreira 1 1.7 126 9 9 9 3 1.34.07 1277 CP 194 03 21/11/2015 ST / "Turf" / "B+2 " 1600 G G2 6 138 J Moore J Moreira 1-1/2 1.4 128 7 8 7 3 1.33.96 1293 CP 138 01 25/10/2015 ST / "Turf" / "A " 1200 GF HKG2 14 134 J Moore K Teetan 1/2 10 133 13 14 1 1.08.35 1283 CP 14/15 Season Overseas 06 16/06/2015 Ascot/ "Turf" 1600 G G1 7 134 J Moore J Moreira 8-3/4 1.6 126 -- -- -- CP -- 586 01 03/05/2015 ST / "Turf" / "A+3 " 1600 GF G1 2 134 J Moore J Moreira 1-1/4 1.2 126 5 5 5 1 1.35.39 1294 CP 520 01 07/04/2015 ST / "Turf" / "B+2 " 1600 GF HKG2 3 134 J Moore J Moreira 1-1/4 1.1 128 5 4 4 1 1.33.76 1286 CP 465 01 15/03/2015 ST / "Turf" / "A " 1400 G G1 5 134 J Moore J Moreira 2-1/4 1.3 126 9 8 7 1 1.21.10 1263 CP 344 01 25/01/2015 ST / "Turf" / "B+2 " 1600 GF G1 8 134 J Moore J Moreira 1-1/2 1.2 126 8 8 7 1 1.33.50 1279 CP 239 01 14/12/2014 ST / "Turf" / "A " 1600 GF G1 10 129 J Moore J Moreira 4-1/4 1.3 126 9 9 8 1 1.33.49 1297 CP 183 01 23/11/2014 ST / "Turf" / "B+2 " 1600 GF G2 8 124 J Moore J Moreira 2-1/4 1.9 123 5 5 5 1 1.33.46 1301 CP 118 04 26/10/2014 ST / "Turf" / "B+2 " 1200 GF HKG2 8 124 J Moore N Rawiller 1 5 133 7 3 4 1.08.87 1315 CP 13/14 Season 600 02 04/05/2014 ST / "Turf" / "A+3 " 1600 G G1 14 122 J Moore J Moreira 4 1.7 126 11 12 8 2 1.34.75 1275 CP 529 01 06/04/2014 ST / "Turf" / "B+2 " 1600 G HKG2 5 116 J Moore K Teetan 1-3/4 1.3 123 5 5 3 1 1.37.19 1244 CP2 479 02 16/03/2014 ST / "Turf" / "A " 2000 G HKG1 5 115 J Moore J Moreira 1/2 2.3 126 12 11 12 9 2 2.02.13 1260 CP- 406 02 16/02/2014 ST / "Turf" / "A " 1800 G HKG1 6 115 J Moore J Moreira 1-1/2 1.7 126 6 6 6 2 2 1.48.15 1286 CP 339 01 19/01/2014 ST / "Turf" / "A+3 " 1600 G HKG1 6 104 J Moore J Moreira 1/2 1.8 126 5 6 4 1 1.33.43 1279 CP 226 01 08/12/2013 ST / "Turf" / "A " 1600 GF 2 7 094 J Moore T Berry 2 2.3 131 7 10 5 1 1.34.72 1290 CP 192 01 24/11/2013 ST / "Turf" / "C " 1400 GF 2 13 085 J Moore K Teetan 1-1/4 2.3 122 13 12 11 1 1.22.12 1287 CP 082 03 12/10/2013 ST / "Turf" / "A+3 " 1400 GF 2 14 083 J Moore K Teetan 1-1/4 2.5 118 14 13 12 3 1.22.81 1291 CP 12/13 Season 679 01 08/06/2013 ST / "Turf" / "B+2 " 1200 GF 3 3 072 J Moore T Berry 2-1/4 5.4 125 4 3 1 1.08.95 1235 CP1 Whyisit and gary1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,451 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 Congratulations Winx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
100 1 1,386 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 4 hours ago, Ohokaman said: Good to see they are being sensible and spelling her, so no Emirates. Hughie now riding Gingernuts. Do you think they would be racing in the Emirates if Humidor hadn't lined up in the Cox?.....I believe they would have Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harewood 477 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 7 hours ago, Ohokaman said: Good to see they are being sensible and spelling her, Are they being sensible or a bit precious? One could say Humidor had a harder run in the Cox Plate chasing a champion and yet he is now in the Cup 10 days later. Are they just trying to maintain her unbeaten record and now going to select their races. Racing needs a champion to focus on and I for one am disappointed that Winx is not racing on Emeraites day. Waller stated that she pulled up well so unless she has gone back why not race her. Two weeks is going to make no difference in their Autumn plans for The Championships and overseas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 1 hour ago, poundforpound said: She was badly beaten up, Waller is a very smart guy, he’s doing what’s right for the great mare. He says she is in great shape not beaten up. The spell is timed to allow an overseas campaign. Twist that whichever way you wish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,762 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 6 hours ago, harewood said: Are they being sensible or a bit precious? One could say Humidor had a harder run in the Cox Plate chasing a champion and yet he is now in the Cup 10 days later. Are they just trying to maintain her unbeaten record and now going to select their races. Racing needs a champion to focus on and I for one am disappointed that Winx is not racing on Emeraites day. Waller stated that she pulled up well so unless she has gone back why not race her. Two weeks is going to make no difference in their Autumn plans for The Championships and overseas. Of course they are being sensible. They are looking after the horse first. Waller has said "she needs a holiday" which tells you some of those efforts, particularly in the Cox Plate on ground much firmer than she prefers, have taken their toll. If the intention is to go to Ascot to run in the Queen Anne Stakes in June, then giving her a good spell now makes perfect sense. Lloyd Vivian 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 1 hour ago, poundforpound said: Why don’t you keep demonstrating how little you know ? I'm only repeating what Waller has said. You are the one making it up to justify yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Waller said "she needs a holiday" and in another comment "we might take her to NZ " Should they both be taken literally, both dismissed as a piss take, or maybe do the sensible thing and just read between the lines ? I thought he meant he was going to send her to New Zealand for a holiday? gary1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,451 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 The owners/trainers get knocked if they over race their horses, and they get clobbered if they under race them as well. Winx can keep winning on the race track while the great online unwashed let personalities get in the way as they argue their trivial differences a week after the Cox. Maybe we should stage the Cocks Plate? Plenty of contenders for the win on Race Cafe. richie 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Leggy said: I thought he meant he was going to send her to New Zealand for a holiday? What he meant by that was, "Connections don't need the money but we would like to see Winx add 3 or 4 quick Group 1 wins to her record. So we are thinking of sending her to NZ to pick up the Railway, Telegraph, and any other G1's on the circuit over Xmas/New Year. She could get ready by winning the Waikato Sprint, the Te Aroha Breeders etc. Oh, and the Zabeel (is it still G1?). Now she's ready for the Sydney Autumn Carnival after her "NZ holiday". richie and Turny 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd Vivian 742 Report post Posted November 4, 2017 10 hours ago, Trump said: What he meant by that was, "Connections don't need the money but we would like to see Winx add 3 or 4 quick Group 1 wins to her record. So we are thinking of sending her to NZ to pick up the Railway, Telegraph, and any other G1's on the circuit over Xmas/New Year. She could get ready by winning the Waikato Sprint, the Te Aroha Breeders etc. Oh, and the Zabeel (is it still G1?). Now she's ready for the Sydney Autumn Carnival after her "NZ holiday". Not actually any reflection on our Group 1's Trump - she's done exactly that in Australia too remember!!! Does that make Aussie G1's weak too?? She's a CHAMPION mate. She would win any G1 anywhere!!! However, a nice spell on some decent NZ grass over the summer - in comparison to the Aussie dust bowls over the same period - doesn't sound stupid to me...even throw in a couple of 'practice' flights to tune her up for the trip to Ascot next year... Cheers. Memphis2 and Trump 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted November 4, 2017 30 minutes ago, Lloyd Vivian said: Not actually any reflection on our Group 1's Trump - she's done exactly that in Australia too remember!!! Does that make Aussie G1's weak too?? She's a CHAMPION mate. She would win any G1 anywhere!!! However, a nice spell on some decent NZ grass over the summer - in comparison to the Aussie dust bowls over the same period - doesn't sound stupid to me...even throw in a couple of 'practice' flights to tune her up for the trip to Ascot next year... Cheers. BIG CALL THERE AUSSIE DUST BOWLS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd Vivian 742 Report post Posted November 4, 2017 Hey mate - most of it is a big dust bowl in summer!!! But our Waikato pasture in summer would usually be a bit better than most Aussie places, I'd think. Anyway, it's all a bit tongue in cheek! gary1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis2 1,078 Report post Posted November 4, 2017 yes Lloydie.They smoke most of their grass Lloyd Vivian 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...