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Everest - Aussie just do it so well

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Hats off to the ATC.

Monstrous  day _ super racing, record crowds, turnover geater than Caulfueld Cup Day and Melbourne Cup Day combined. Could feel the atmosphere watching.

Another win for Racing in Australia,

Meantime across the ditch we are ..... fcuk it why go there, they will never learn.

 

 

 

 

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The telecasts were fantastic. Free to Air on Channel 7. Fans even got an interview with Jason Derulo ! The commentary was fantastic. The C7 commentary Host was the great Bruce MacAvaney, probably the most knowlegable sports commentator in the World. His knowledge of a Racing  is second to none. You can bet that after this spectacle, next years Everest meeting will be even bigger and better!

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1 hour ago, Trump said:

The telecasts were fantastic. Free to Air on Channel 7. Fans even got an interview with Jason Derulo ! The commentary was fantastic. The C7 commentary Host was the great Bruce MacAvaney, probably the most knowlegable sports commentator in the World. His knowledge of a Racing  is second to none. You can bet that after this spectacle, next years Everest meeting will be even bigger and better!

How many were there just for the free concert.....?

Heard the betting turnover was $9.65m on the day, so obviously a big success.... ;)

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Looking at the replay several times, I thought the big grey horse was stiff. Not the best ride and it's a shame Tommy Berry wasn't on him. He's not a rails horse and really needs to have clean air on the outside of the field. Flew over the last 50m but the winner too good on the day.

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17 minutes ago, Trump said:

Looking at the replay several times, I thought the big grey horse was stiff. Not the best ride and it's a shame Tommy Berry wasn't on him. He's not a rails horse and really needs to have clean air on the outside of the field. Flew over the last 50m but the winner too good on the day.

May have finished further back by going wide, would have cost him many lengths, top run all the same.

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2 hours ago, Trump said:

The telecasts were fantastic. Free to Air on Channel 7. Fans even got an interview with Jason Derulo ! The commentary was fantastic. The C7 commentary Host was the great Bruce MacAvaney, probably the most knowlegable sports commentator in the World. His knowledge of a Racing  is second to none. You can bet that after this spectacle, next years Everest meeting will be even bigger and better!

Hopefully there will be a few NZ-trained starters next year.  Some of our best ones would be right up with yesterday's lot.  The likes of .... ahhmmm or ...... mhhmm .... or .......

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I heard that the ATC, holders of the race, in the interests of racing, are contemplating holding The Everest on a Friday night, so as not to clash with Caul Guineas day (Four G1's) and thus allow the best Jockeys to ride at both meetings. 

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22 minutes ago, 50 win no. 1 said:

I thought Chataqua was a moral beaten. It has never won a race on the rail, if he pulls wide it can produce a amazing finish. Dumb ride....

The rail was so far out, very little was winning out wide. That's why Chatauqua  was on the rails - it was a pre-race plan.

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4 hours ago, Trump said:

The telecasts were fantastic. Free to Air on Channel 7. Fans even got an interview with Jason Derulo ! The commentary was fantastic. The C7 commentary Host was the great Bruce MacAvaney, probably the most knowlegable sports commentator in the World. His knowledge of a Racing  is second to none. You can bet that after this spectacle, next years Everest meeting will be even bigger and better!

Free to air - we haven't

Outstanding hosts - we haven't

Post race jockey room interviews - we don't

Post race trainer interviews - we don't (or cross to a $3k bush meeting race)

Post race analysis by Professional presenters - we can't as no in depth knowledge

And we are backing ourselves in the Leaders Boardroom - yeah right...

 

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58 minutes ago, Trump said:

I heard that the ATC, holders of the race, in the interests of racing, are contemplating holding The Everest on a Friday night, so as not to clash with Caul Guineas day (Four G1's) and thus allow the best Jockeys to ride at both meetings. 

Well done to the ATC if they engage their brains and do as you say Trump

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11 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

I note the stewards over there even produce their own "expected" speed maps the day before the races....that's slick and very professional.

I think the inter state competition is healthy too, it makes everyone lift their game, betting agencies, media, trainers, and the various carnivals, they compete, they improve, the punter benefits.

That's true. V'Landys apparently got sick of playing second fiddle to Melbourne and the "apathy" in Sydney. This was the result.

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I might add, the crowd was reportedly the "largest crowd at Randwick this century", which is amazing when you consider Winx as a drawcard yet wasn't there! The food & bev take must have been enormous. I think a fri night running would be huge!!

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Everest was indeed fab on all counts...the nxt logical question (since I am such a logical thinker ..?) is..

why not crank one up in NZ? Even give it a Kiwi twist..my suggestion is play to our strengths by making it a 2000m WFA race or 2400m handicap. Limit field to 12. (eg)..perhaps only Kiwi breds can run...

open to all suggestions from the cognoscenti on Race Café...

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10 hours ago, weasel57 said:

Everest was indeed fab on all counts...the nxt logical question (since I am such a logical thinker ..?) is..

why not crank one up in NZ? Even give it a Kiwi twist..my suggestion is play to our strengths by making it a 2000m WFA race or 2400m handicap. Limit field to 12. (eg)..perhaps only Kiwi breds can run...

open to all suggestions from the cognoscenti on Race Café...

Not feasible really--imagine Smedley, Thatz David and a couple of Frank Stammers' stars lining up. Another Mitchelson Cup.

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Everest winner has NZ connection:

Noted historian Michael Sheridan emailed me:

 

DESCENDANT  OF  FIRESIDE  WINS  THE  EVEREST

 

By Michael Sheridan

     Racing Historian

 

I always find it interesting to check the pedigrees of the major Australian race winners which on many occasions goes back

to New Zealand bred families, and The Everest was no exception – Redzel, Chautauqua, Clearly Innocent and She Will Reign. 

 

Mr D. P Wilson of Mosgiel purchased Fireside and he owned, trained and bred from this family for many years.

 

Redzel (AUS) 2012, by Snitzel (AUS) 2002 – Millrich (AUS) 1992, by Rubiton (AUS) 1982 – Mill Rani (AUS) 1981, by Millionaire
(IRE) 1974 – Sana Rani (NZ) 1969, by Pakistan II (GB) 1958 – Skewe (NZ) 1950, by Super (GB) 1944 – Trivet (NZ) 1930,

by Paladin (GB) 1917 – Kerb (NZ) 1918, by Markhope (GB) 1912 – Fender (NZ) 1910, by Martian (NZ) 1901 – Fireside (NZ)

1896, by Perkin Warbeck II (NZ) 1881.

 

1st. dam Millrich, 3 wins, STC Sweet Embrace Stakes, Group 3, 2nd. AJC Silver Shadow Stakes, Group 2, STC Magic Night

Stakes, Group 2, 3rd. 1995 STC Golden Slipper Stakes, Group 1 (1st. Flying Spur, 2nd. Octagonal), AJC San Domenico

Stakes, Group 2 (1st. Our Maizcay, 2nd. Strategic).

 

Millrich  dam of Redzel (Snitzel) 10 wins, 4 seconds, 1 third from 20 starts. Prize-money $7,195,250. 1st. ATC The Galazy

Group 1, QTC Doomben Ten Thousand, Group 1, ATC The Short’s, Group 2, Concorde Stakes, Group 3, Hall Mark Stakes,

Group 3, 2nd. ATC The Galaxy, Group 1, Challenge Stakes, Group 2. 

 

20-Year-Old Millrich died three weeks after foaling Redzel.

 

Danerich (Danehill – Millrich) 3 wins, MRC  HDF McNeil Stakes, Group 3, 2nd. Schillaci Stakes, Group 2, 3rd. MRC Guineas

Pelude, Group 3. Sire.

 

El Roca (Fastnet Rock – Rubimill, by Rubiton – Mill Rani) 3 wins, ATC Eskimo Stakes, Listed, Whangarei  RC Westbury Stud

Challenge Stakes, Listed, 2nd. ATC Randwick Guineas, Group 1 (1st. Dissident, 3rd. Eurozone), Liverpool City Cup, Group 3,

(1st. Terravista, 3rd. Ninth Legion), MRC Caulfield Guineas Prelude, Group 3, (1st. Eclair Big Bang, 3rd. Long John) 3rd. ATC

George Ryder Stakes, Group 1 (1st. Gordon Long John, 2nd. Speediness). Top of the 2013-14 New Zealand 3-Year-Old Free

Handicap (1200m. – 1600m.) Sire.

 

2nd. dam Mill Rani, 3 wins, dam also of Angel’s Wings (Don’t Say Halo) 4 wins, 2nd. VRC Bloodhorse Breeders’ Plate, Group 2,

MVRC Laurent Perrier Stakes, Group 2, and dam of Conspirator (Marscay) 7 wins, 2nd. WATC Derby, Group 1.

 

3rd. dam Sana Rani, 4 wins, 3rd. Adelaide RC Dequetteville Stakes, Listed. Grandam of Dilly Dally (Rubiton) 6 wins, 2004 AJC 

T.J. Smith Stakes, Group 1 (2nd. Legally Bay, 3rd. Mistegic), 3rd. MVRC Manikato Stakes, Group 1 (1st. Spark Of Life, 2nd.

Yell. Li Lo Lill (Umatilla) 2 wins, SAJC Sires Produce Stakes, Group 3, 3rd. VRC Oaks, Group 1 (1st. Magical Miss, 2nd. Manang), Linga Longa Lucy (Rubiton) 2 wins, SAJC  Walter Brown Stakes, Listed, 4th. SAJC Smoke-Free Stakes, Group 3. 

 

4th. dam Skewe, unplaced in ten starts. Owned by Mr. D.P. Wilson, Mosgiel, and purchased for stud duties by Mr. J.A. Mitchell,  Santa Rosa Stud, Longburn, Palmerston North, and then by Mr. G.B. Fell, Fairdale Stud, Longburn, Palmerston North. Mr. Fell bred Sana Rani from Skewe.

 

5th. dam Trivet, 20 1/2 wins, 1936 Winton Jubliee Cup, DJC Telegraph Handicap, dead-heat. Dam of Frances (Bulandshar),

10 wins, 1948 Aucklkand Cup (2nd. Coral Arc, 3rd. Bruce), CJC Great Autumn Handicap, WRC Thompson Handicap, Hutt

Handicap, The Grate (Salmagundi) 9 wins, WRC Autumn Handicap 1 1/2 miles, 2nd. 1949 Wellington Cup (1st. Royal Tan,

3rd. Bruce), The Tongs (Siegfried) 10 wins, 1956 Riverton RC Great Western Steeplechase, Dunedin JC Otago Steeplechase, 3rd. CJC Grand  National Steeplechase. Ash (Lo Zingaro) 7 wins, 1953 Waikouaiti RC  Waikouaiti Cup.

 

Frances dam of Promise (Golden Souvenir) 11 wins, 1957 Southland Guineas, Oamaru Winter Cup, Otago Hurdles, Hot Foot

(The Cobbler) 10 wins, CJC Warstep Stakes, Riverton RC Pourakino Handicap, Monowai Handicap, Farewell Handicap.

Yearly (Callander) 1 win. Dam of Golden Age (Golden Plume) 11 wins,STC  Regentville Two-Year-Old Handicap,
AJC Rossmore Handicap. Night Bell (Bellborough – Yearly) dam of Loch Linnhe (Lomond) 25 wins, CJC Grand National Steeplechase,

Waikato RC Waikato Steeplechase, Riverton R C Great Western Steeplechase (twice), ARC Great Northern Steeplechase

(twice) VRC Kenningson Steeplechase, Grand National Steeplechase, Riverton RC Riverton Cup, CJC Great Autumn

Handicap, Taramoa (Lomond), 5 wins,  2nd. CJC Winter Cup, Group 3, Otago RC Dunedin Guineas, Listed.

Erincorp (Omnicorp –Lady Erin, by Noble Bijou – Loch Erin, by Lomond – Night Bell) dam of Joint Effort (Desert Fox) 10 wins,

CJC Sydenham Hurdles, 2010 CJC Grand National Hurdles. Wilful (Sabaean – Our Lorraine, by Defaulter – Frances) 9 wins,

WRC Pearce Handicap, ARC Christmas Handicap, 2nd. ARC Summer Cup, CJC Jockey Club Handicap.

 

Blooming (Summertime – Frances) 2 wins, DJC Trial Stakes, Riverton RC Fairfax Handicap. Exported to Australia, ancestor

of Sudden, Valour, Burst, Victory Prince and Evader.

 

Valour (Wilkes – Blooming) 9 wins, 2nd. VATC Sandown Guineas, Group 2 (1st. Hialeah, 3rd. Storm Queen), Sudden (Boucher -

Valour) 2 wins, VATC Blue Diamond Prelude, Listed, 3rd. Blue Diamond Stakes, Group 1 (1st. Let’s Get Physical, 2nd. Acumen),

Burst (Marauding - Sudden) 7 wins, Head of the 1991-92 Australian Classification. STC Golden Slipper Stakes, Group 1, AJC

Sires’ Produce Stakes, Group 1, Champagne Stakes, Group 1, 2nd. AJC Flight Stakes, Group 1, STC Ansett Australian Stakes,

Group 1, 3rd. VRC Oaks, Group 1, AJC Chipping Norton Stakes, Group 1, VATC One Thousand Guineas, Group 1.

Victory Prince (Imperial Prince – Victoria Cross, by Todman – Valour) AJC Sires’ Produce Stakes, Group 1 (2nd. Red Anchor,

3rd. Spirit Of Kingson), 2nd. Champagne Stakes, Group 1 (1st. Red Anchor, 3rd. Fair Verdict). Evader (Marauding – Sudden)

2 wins, QTC Castlemaine Queensland Classic, Group 1, (T.J. Smith Classic) – (1st. Al Mansour, 3rd. Freedom Road) 3rd.

VRC Sires’ Produce Stakes, Group 1.

 

The Grate dam of Heidi (Golden Souvenir) 3 wins, 1959 CJC New Zealand Oaks, 2nd. WRC Desert Gold Stakes, Heidi dam

of Herod (Arragon) 5 wins.

 

In April 1949 the Otautau Racing Club, Western Southland, held their last meeting and Owner- Trainer D.P. Wilson entered

The Grate (10st. 1lb. and Frances (10st 0lb.) minimum weight (7st. 0lb.), in the last race the Macauley Memorial Handicap, 

1 mile. However both horses were scratched on the day, but Wilson transported them to Otautau and in a fitting farewell,

racegoers including myself watched an exhibition gallop over a circuit of the racecourse. On Easter Monday nine days later

Frances won the Great Autumn Handicap at Riccarton, over 1 1/2 miles, carrying (8st. 6lb.) minimum weight (7st. 0lb.). 

 

6th. dam Kerb, 12 wins, WRC Metropolitan Handicap, DJC Grandstand Handicap. Dam of Kerbside (Tea Tray) 16 wins,

WRC Railway Handicap, DJC Stewards’ Handicap, Publican’s Handicap.

 

Rayallan by Mellay - Belling Lee, by Bellborough – Dame Rumour, by Kurdistan – Don’t Listen, by Salmagundi – Bad News)

5 wins, Ashburton Country RC John Grigg Stakes, 2nd. Gore RC Gore Guineas Trial.

 

Bad News (Philamor – Kerb) 3 wins. Friend to D.P. Wilson “Have you named that horse yet”, Wilson “No, but I am thinking

of calling it Bad News”, Friend “That’s a funny name for a horse”, Wilson “bad news always travels fast.”

 

Kerbside (Tea Tray – Kerb), dam of Hearth (Paladin) 19 wins, and 2 dead-heats, WRC Wellington Racing Club Handicap

City Handicap, Wainui Handicap, CJC Templeton Handicap, and dam of Hearth Rug (Super) 5 wins, DJC Jockey Club

Handicap. Heart’s Pride (Kurdistan -  Hearth) 4 wins, dam of Haste Ye Back (Bellborough) 18 wins, 1972 Wyndham Cup,

1972 Gore Cup. 

 

Kerbside also dam of The Hob (Lo Zingaro) 20 wins, CJC Stewards’ Handicap, Great Easter Handicap, Great Autumn

Handicap, WRC Metropolitan Handicap. The Lum (Lo Zingaro) 10 wins, CJC Dominion Handicap (twice), Riverton RC

Monowai Handicap, 2nd. WRC Thompson Handicap, Summer Handicap, CJC Great Autumn Handicap. Prize Ring

(Ringmaster) 12 wins (7 hurdle wins), ARC Campbell Hurdles, Hunt Club Hurdles, CJC Sydenham Hurdles, Southland RC

Gladstone Hurdles. 

 

Tripod (Siegfried – Trivet) unraced, dam of Clinker (Lo Zingaro) 17 wins, WRC Thompson Handicap, Hutt Handicap, CJC

Great Easter Handicap. 2nd. WRC President’s Handicap. Flue (Treasure Hunt – Tripod), unraced, dam of Kettle (Sabaean)

9 wins, SAJC New Year’s Day Gift (twice), Adelaide Day Cup. Arama (Oncidium) 5 wins, MVRC John F. Feehan Handicap,

Column (Oncidium) 2 wins, 2nd. 1971 VRC Derby (1st. Classic Misson, 3rd.Altai Khan), Group 1. Sweet Corrine (Ruthless –

Tripod) dam of Nourishing (Ovaltine) 8 wins, QTC  P.J. O’Shea Stakes, 3rd. STC Rosehill Cup, Hearth Money (Sabaean- Flue)

2 wins, 2nd. ARC Great Northern Champagne Stakes. Exported to USA.

 

7th. dam Fender, 8 wins, Riverton Racing Club Flying Handicap, Dunedin JC Federal Handicap, Southland RC Flying Handicap.

 

8th dam Perkin Warbeck II, by Perkin Warbek - Miss Kate, (GB) ancestor of champions Phar Lap, Kindergarten and Sunline. 

 

Apprentice jockey J.R. (John) Dowling who was in indentured to D.P. (Skipper) Wilson won the 1963-64 New Zealand Jockeys

Premiership with 70 wins.

 

In 1973 the Wyndham Racing Club held the first running of the Fireside Cup. 1st. Jane Mellay (S.J. Allen), 2nd. Mellay Vite

(R.E. McAra), 3rd. Loch Linnhe (P.R. Hillis). Winning trainer B.J. (Brian) Anderton.

 

With horses the calibre of Frances, Loch Linnhe, Burst and Redzel, matriarch Fireside would be a worthy inductee into the

New Zealand Racing Hall of Fame.

 

 

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