Ohokaman 5,762 Report post Posted October 2, 2017 The money men have made their decisions and there are some strange ones. In Her Time overlooked, and Coolmore pick Tulip.....?? Still Chautauqua's to lose for mine, particularly if that forecast rain arrives. Other Lindsay Park runners the dangers. Clearly Innocent the roughie. SLOT HOLDER RUNNER TRAINER JOCKEY ODDS The Star Redkirk Warrior Lindsay Park Racing Regan Bayliss $7.50 TAB English Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott Blake Shinn $9 Inglis Fell Swoop Matthew Dale Tye Angland $51 Australian Turf Club Brave Smash Darren Weir TBA $31 Greg Ingham Chautauqua Hawkes Racing Brenton Avdulla $6 Aquis Farm Houtzen Toby Edmonds Jeff Lloyd $26 Yu Long Investments She Will Reign Gary Portelli Corey Brown $4.60 James Harron Redzel Peter and Paul Snowden Kerrin McEvoy $7 Coolmore Tulip Lindsay Park Racing TBA $51 Damion Flower (Jadeskye Racing) Clearly Innocent Kris Lees Hugh Bowman $13 Chris Waller Racing Deploy Gerald Ryan TBA $11 Max Whitby (Everest Racing Pty Ltd) Vega Magic Lindsay Park Racing Craig Williams $6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varro 244 Report post Posted October 2, 2017 I'll b all over redkirkwarrior like a leech if its a good track Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Kirrama 1,478 Report post Posted October 3, 2017 22 hours ago, Ohokaman said: The money men have made their decisions and there are some strange ones. In Her Time overlooked, and Coolmore pick Tulip.....?? Still Chautauqua's to lose for mine, particularly if that forecast rain arrives. Other Lindsay Park runners the dangers. Clearly Innocent the roughie. SLOT HOLDER RUNNER TRAINER JOCKEY ODDS The Star Redkirk Warrior Lindsay Park Racing Regan Bayliss $7.50 TAB English Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott Blake Shinn $9 Inglis Fell Swoop Matthew Dale Tye Angland $51 Australian Turf Club Brave Smash Darren Weir TBA $31 Greg Ingham Chautauqua Hawkes Racing Brenton Avdulla $6 Aquis Farm Houtzen Toby Edmonds Jeff Lloyd $26 Yu Long Investments She Will Reign Gary Portelli Corey Brown $4.60 James Harron Redzel Peter and Paul Snowden Kerrin McEvoy $7 Coolmore Tulip Lindsay Park Racing TBA $51 Damion Flower (Jadeskye Racing) Clearly Innocent Kris Lees Hugh Bowman $13 Chris Waller Racing Deploy Gerald Ryan TBA $11 Max Whitby (Everest Racing Pty Ltd) Vega Magic Lindsay Park Racing Craig Williams $6 Thanks for that Ohaka ! The Grey Flash can l over come anythingand everything on The Day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,539 Report post Posted October 3, 2017 Looks like a mountain to tough to climb for some. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted October 4, 2017 So how much did each slot cost the buyer and what is the total stake ? Are the slot holders gauranteed a % of the stake "their" horse earns or are there individual deals in place ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted October 4, 2017 Greatest waste of money in history. Memphis2 and We're Doomed 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,762 Report post Posted October 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Kotare_Hunter said: So how much did each slot cost the buyer and what is the total stake ? Are the slot holders gauranteed a % of the stake "their" horse earns or are there individual deals in place ? Slotholders paid $600,000 each and committed to three years. Prizemoney is $10m. Each slotholder would have negotiated a deal with horse owners to offset their investment and a share of any prizemoney. Kotare_Hunter 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,762 Report post Posted October 4, 2017 1 hour ago, scooby3051 said: Greatest waste of money in history. Might be right Scooby....the Yanks certainly thought so... https://www.racenet.com.au/news/they-found-12-suckers-to-pay-for-it-says-pegasus-world-cup-stakeholder-20171003 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted October 4, 2017 Altho there's hype etc with the newness etc of The Everest, it will be interesting to see what happens after 3 years. For me, give me the Cox Plate, Caul Cup and Melb Cup any day over this rubbish. Interestingly, they were hoping for an avalanche of overseas entries but settled for a pretender in Brave Salute - a former Japanese horse now with D Weir. Absolutely no show of winning and shows how desperate they are. It's the old "Sydney v Melb " thing and an admission by the ATC that they can't match it with the Melb Spring Carnival. They even lost their Everest day drawcard "Winx". That really sunk the day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,762 Report post Posted October 4, 2017 8 hours ago, Trump said: Altho there's hype etc with the newness etc of The Everest, it will be interesting to see what happens after 3 years. For me, give me the Cox Plate, Caul Cup and Melb Cup any day over this rubbish. Interestingly, they were hoping for an avalanche of overseas entries but settled for a pretender in Brave Salute - a former Japanese horse now with D Weir. Absolutely no show of winning and shows how desperate they are. It's the old "Sydney v Melb " thing and an admission by the ATC that they can't match it with the Melb Spring Carnival. They even lost their Everest day drawcard "Winx". That really sunk the day. Brave Smash I think you mean Trumpy.... BackPoonDrinkGoon 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax15 16 Report post Posted October 4, 2017 16 hours ago, scooby3051 said: Greatest waste of money in history. How so? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted October 5, 2017 5 hours ago, Snax15 said: How so? Because 10 million could have been spread a lot better to the industry and still end up with the local sprinters they have assembled, its like the Championships in the Autumn its also a failure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted October 5, 2017 38 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: Because 10 million could have been spread a lot better to the industry and still end up with the local sprinters they have assembled, its like the Championships in the Autumn its also a failure. The majority of the prizemoney is coming from the slot holders, not Racing NSW. The funding is completely different to any other race so is basically just rich peoples (slot holders) money to be won by a combination of a rich slot holder and the owners of the actual horse. Not Racing NSW funding the race so no big loss for them! gary1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted October 5, 2017 35 minutes ago, BruceL said: The majority of the prizemoney is coming from the slot holders, not Racing NSW. The funding is completely different to any other race so is basically just rich peoples (slot holders) money to be won by a combination of a rich slot holder and the owners of the actual horse. Not Racing NSW funding the race so no big loss for them! Still what does it achieve??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted October 5, 2017 Highlights the fact that Racing NSW dont have to put much money in and they end up with a higher profile day and a very very good WFA sprint field Its a win win for them!, putting aside all of the politics it will be a very good field and a good watch. If people want to throw away money on slots with the hope of a gamble coming off , all good. Provides a spectacle for any one who enjoys racing, what do RacingNSW lose from giving this concept a go? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax15 16 Report post Posted October 5, 2017 14 hours ago, scooby3051 said: Still what does it achieve??? What does a slot go for? $700,000 round about. So there's $8.4million in stake. Only had to come up with another $1.2 million for the total pool which I'm pretty sure would've been the sponsorship price for The TAB. What does it achieve? You can't be serious? This is a race that's had it's own program on Sky Racing for weeks in the lead up because there's so much interest. Caulfield Guineas Day next weekend, 4 G1's down in Melbourne, now Sydney have a $10million dollar sprint on the same day. If that doesn't generate viewership on that Saturday then what will? ATC have also put on international super star artist Jason Derulo to perform for an hour after the last. You're always talking about getting young people to the races. Well what better way to do that than to encourage the younger generation to get suited up and enjoy a day at the races followed by the chart topping artist performing to close out the day? Jason Derulo 2 hour concert would set ya back $150-$200 Day at The TAB Everest races and an hour of Jason Derulo will cost you $30. This concept should be applauded. But of course, it's spring time. Tall Poppies everywhere.... .... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted October 6, 2017 4 hours ago, Snax15 said: What does a slot go for? $700,000 round about. So there's $8.4million in stake. Only had to come up with another $1.2 million for the total pool which I'm pretty sure would've been the sponsorship price for The TAB. What does it achieve? You can't be serious? This is a race that's had it's own program on Sky Racing for weeks in the lead up because there's so much interest. Caulfield Guineas Day next weekend, 4 G1's down in Melbourne, now Sydney have a $10million dollar sprint on the same day. If that doesn't generate viewership on that Saturday then what will? ATC have also put on international super star artist Jason Derulo to perform for an hour after the last. You're always talking about getting young people to the races. Well what better way to do that than to encourage the younger generation to get suited up and enjoy a day at the races followed by the chart topping artist performing to close out the day? Jason Derulo 2 hour concert would set ya back $150-$200 Day at The TAB Everest races and an hour of Jason Derulo will cost you $30. This concept should be applauded. But of course, it's spring time. Tall Poppies everywhere.... Nothing about tall poppies its called an opinion... cheers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax15 16 Report post Posted October 6, 2017 14 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: Nothing about tall poppies its called an opinion... cheers. An opinion which I'm struggling to see the logic behind, but that aside, I guarantee you'll be watching the coverage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted October 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Snax15 said: An opinion which I'm struggling to see the logic behind, but that aside, I guarantee you'll be watching the coverage. You sir are a tosser.... you have no idea about me or what I will be watching...so what if my opinion differs to yours big deal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax15 16 Report post Posted October 6, 2017 18 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: You sir are a tosser.... you have no idea about me or what I will be watching...so what if my opinion differs to yours big deal. I'm not having a go by any means. But the trend continues with you we're you take things so personally if people disagree. All I'm asking is why you think it's such a waste of money, when it's not industry money being used? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted October 6, 2017 57 minutes ago, Snax15 said: I'm not having a go by any means. But the trend continues with you we're you take things so personally if people disagree. All I'm asking is why you think it's such a waste of money, when it's not industry money being used? No you made the statement about what I will be watching nothing to do with me being personal,,,as i said you have no idea about me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,762 Report post Posted October 10, 2017 Updated field with barrier draws.... A favourable draw has seen the Peter and Paul Snowden-trained Redzel firm in early betting on The Everest (1200m) while one bookmaker has put up surprisingly short odds about an emergency runner. Redzel drew barrier four on Tuesday morning and has shortened into $7 from $8.50 across Racenet's surveyed bookmakers. The son of Snitzel has won his last four starts including the Group I Doomben 10,000 (1200m) in May. Meanwhile, online agency Bet365 has quoted odds as short as $6 about emergency runner In Her Time. The Benjamin Smith-trained mare is an acceptor in Saturday's $500,000 Listed Sydney Stakes (1200m) and could yet make The Everest field in the event of a scratching, but is likely to instead head south for the $1m Group I Manikato Stakes (1200m) at Moonee Valley on Friday October 27. Below is a comparison of early fixed odds prices for The Everest. No. Horse Sportsbet Ladbrokes CrownBet Luxbet Bet 365 Pre Post Pre Post Pre Post Pre Post Pre Post 1 CHAUTAUQUA (5) $6 $6 $6 $6 $7 $7 $6 $6 $6.50 $6 2 VEGA MAGIC (10) $5.50 $5.50 $6 $6 $5 $5 $6 $6.50 $6.50 $7 3 REDZEL (4) $7 $7 $7.50 $7 $8.50 $7 $7 $7 $7.50 $7 4 REDKIRK WARRIOR (3) $8 $8 $8 $8 $8 $7.50 $9 $9 $7.50 $9 5 CLEARLY INNOCENT (6) $12 $12 $11 $11 $13 $13 $11 $11 $13 $11 6 DEPLOY (7) $10 $10 $12 $11 $11 $11 $11 $11 $11 $9 7 FELL SWOOP (8) $61 $71 $51 $71 $67 $67 $51 $51 $51 $51 8 BRAVE SMASH (9) $34 $31 $26 $26 $26 $34 $26 $26 $26 $26 9 ENGLISH (12) $10 $10 $8 $9 $9 $13 $9 $9.50 $7.50 $9 10 SHE WILL REIGN (2) $4.80 $4.80 $4.60 $4.60 $4.60 $4.60 $4.60 $4.60 $4.50 $5 11 HOUTZEN (1) $26 $26 $26 $26 $26 $21 $26 $26 $34 $34 12 TULIP (11) $51 $51 $51 $51 $51 $67 $51 $51 $51 $51 13e IN HER TIME $13 $13 $21 $15 $6 14e TRAPEZE ARTIST $21 $17 $21 $21 $17 15e TAKEDOWN $126 $126 $67 $71 $67 16e BALL OF MUSCLE $301 $301 $67 $101 $67 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Clydesdale 229 Report post Posted October 10, 2017 On 10/5/2017 at 5:03 PM, scooby3051 said: Because 10 million could have been spread a lot better to the industry and still end up with the local sprinters they have assembled, its like the Championships in the Autumn its also a failure. Dear Scooby, don’t know if you have attended the Championships, but it is NO failure. Dundeel sealed it the first time, but it has improved. I have been since it’s inception, it is great racing. Should be applauded that Messara processed the Carnival into a spectacle that it is. Track unfortunate this year, but you will be hard pressed to see another scintillating performance by the grey streak that was the TJ Smith. Winx a no brainer. Bonneval was outstanding, John Snow tough, Gingernuts tired, horse quality terrific. A perfect racing entry to Autumn and the sales. I suggest you go one day. No knocking Spring in Melbourne, a wonderful Carnival. It is cemented into racing benchmarks and yardsticks. That won’t change in a hurry. But the Championships are indeed worthy by a furlong. The Everest is a solo performance, somewhat isolated. But the grey will just beat English and Vegas in a photo................ Go to Sydney in April Scoobie, you won’t be disappointed. Southland 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted October 10, 2017 5 hours ago, John Clydesdale said: Dear Scooby, don’t know if you have attended the Championships, but it is NO failure. Dundeel sealed it the first time, but it has improved. I have been since it’s inception, it is great racing. Should be applauded that Messara processed the Carnival into a spectacle that it is. Track unfortunate this year, but you will be hard pressed to see another scintillating performance by the grey streak that was the TJ Smith. Winx a no brainer. Bonneval was outstanding, John Snow tough, Gingernuts tired, horse quality terrific. A perfect racing entry to Autumn and the sales. I suggest you go one day. No knocking Spring in Melbourne, a wonderful Carnival. It is cemented into racing benchmarks and yardsticks. That won’t change in a hurry. But the Championships are indeed worthy by a furlong. The Everest is a solo performance, somewhat isolated. But the grey will just beat English and Vegas in a photo................ Go to Sydney in April Scoobie, you won’t be disappointed. Nope the Championships was supposed to be world class horses from all over the world coming to Sydney... its been a disaster in that respect, they will never compete with Melbourne no matter how much they throw at it...cheers. With 1M or 5M a race the horses you mention would still be there, it was not what it was set up for and in that respect it is an unmitigated disaster.. Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...